Is Imam Al-Ghazali a Kharji or Hujja tul-Islam? - Pir Abdul Qadir Sahib

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  1. The Emir

    The Emir Well-Known Member

    So what if Irfan Shah Sahib was arrested, cautioned or even jailed. If its been done to protect Sunni aqeedah then its something to be proud of.

    And quite frankly Pir Abdul Qadir's murids have no room to say anything with their record of thuggery and a murder in Pakistan to answer for!!!
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  2. jasimisbest2

    jasimisbest2 Active Member

    brother i ahve seen this video, and the amount fo swearing and abuse the users have done ont he video agaisnt Shah Saab is unbelivable, just read some of the comments...

    All the lies and deceoptions were spread from AbdulQ adri Jalini's camps of gangster mureeds.... they always shed crodile tears at how SYED are and what zulm they had to go through... and now a SYED is being attacked on there video and also the words used to describe Syed IRfan Hussain shah Saab mum astugfurullah...

    Abu Fadl if you have shame ask the monkey pir bahi fo your to remove that video and other propaganda videos.... when it comes to debate your pir starts stuterring and mureed get beaten up in mosque.... bloody monkeys!
  3. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

  4. jasimisbest2

    jasimisbest2 Active Member

    Your lot went over in Dudely and got battered...

    They thought they would walk in and mess around and no one will say anything... Fadl Saab INSHALLAH watch how your whole organsiation of liars will fall one day... just like so many people have found out the real face of your Pir and your elders and are moving away from you, people know exactly on eevry forum that what kind of a liar your shaytaan pir bahi;s are and how you lot will do anyting and will stoop to the very low level just to defend lies of your camp...

    me personally i woudlnt even spit on the place where your lot are sitting, thats how much i hate your camp and have for long not even bothered talking about you lot, onlu as forced today due to your ignorance.!
  5. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    brothers, whatever the issue is about the programme and the title of it, can we set it aside for a minute?

    the real issue is that of imam ghazzali and what pir abdul qadir shah thinks of him. the sunni public needs answers on this. if there is nothing to hide, then can the following 2 questions be answered before going to other matters:

    1. does pir abdu'l qadir jilani reject (and deny) that imam ghazali was khariji?

    2. does pir abdu'l qadir jilani consider imam ghazali as hujjatu'l islam?

    we must act like grown ups and leave this shakhsiyat parasti behind. our allegiance is to scholars like imam abu hanifa, imam ash'ari, imam maturidi, ghawth e a'zam, imam ghazzali, imam rabbani, imam baraylawi. these are our benchmark and we will judge today's scholars as long as they agree with these masters, and not vice versa, i.e. if you reject these scholars, then you yourself are rejected and you will only be accepted if you agree with these scholars. it's a very simple formula.
  6. anees786

    anees786 Guest

    The same Chishti buzurg who a mureed of Abdul Qadir talked to afterwards saying that you shouldnt do Haq Chaar Yaar nara. The Chishti buzurg said that you believe what you want. Dont stop us from doing it. We will carry on doing it.
  7. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

  8. Abu Fadl

    Abu Fadl Banned

    Interesting to see how you wish to detract from the fact you have been proven as liars by asking other questions. The thread is about the lie which the trash talk company invented and tried to spread here. I'm not so stupid to be distracted just so that you can save your own backsides.

    In his second post, Muhammad Ali xxxxxx told further lies by stating that the title of the event was changed two days before because of the pressure of his trash talk cronies, again another complete lie because the event was an Urs held by the Masjid and a Chishti buzurg and was decided and organised by themselves, it had nothing to do with anyone else's mureeds.

    In fact the Urs is held "EVERY YEAR" at that same Masjid, organised by the same people, so nothing was cancelled or decided two days before you lying xxxxxxxxxx!

    Like they say, when you tell one lie, you end up telling a hundred others to try to escape from the lie.
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  9. Muhammad Ali

    Muhammad Ali Veteran

    I think it was good that this thread was started reason being that the topic was on Sayiduna Imam Ghazzali RA. But because everyone saw it on the net the Imam Hafiz Sarwar and committe members were contacted in advance and were forced to change the topic.

    Even saying this in the program Pir Abdul Qadir Sahib said in his speech that people have spread it on the net that I will talk about a particular "MOLVI SAHIB" and their will be question & answers. Pir Sahib say I bought all the books with me, whoever wants to ask come and ask.

    But the committe didn't allow questions. Now calling Sayiduna Imam Ghazali RA a Molvi?

    Eventhough the word might not be disrespectful but nowadays people use this word to insult a particular scholar. I will get the video soon and upload it online. Now what this means is even though he does dua for Imam Ghazali RA after saying his name, but really he still has hate for him.
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  10. Abu Fadl

    Abu Fadl Banned

    They would only lose credibility if they had any in the first place.

    The difference is that I don't go round behaving like a trouble-causing rascal like some of the idiots on this thread, otherwise I have no issue with anyone's name. When you pretend to be brave and say you will question people in public but the reality is that you're no bigger than the wimp in your pants is why I told you the reality of these liars.

    They are nothing but liars with evil motives hiding behind their monitors who could never admit in public they are the same people behind the filth they write. What kind of Muslim is that?
  11. muslim 1st Sunni 2nd

    muslim 1st Sunni 2nd Active Member

    You have to really question Muhammad Ali's motive. In my mind his lost some of his credibility after this topic.

    Remember, you'll be asked about your actions ... how much benefit do you really bring to the religion/humanity? should we ask ourselves the opposite question instead?
  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    shah sahib does not read the whole passage from takmil al-iman as mentioned earlier.

    this clip is from an older translation of takmil al-iman, in 1304AH by maulvi rahim bakhsh dihlawi.

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  13. Ghulam

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  14. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    You know, it's a bit rich for you to take the liberty to call someone a wimp for not asking questions in person to Mr. Abdul Qadir Jilani, and yet, you not answering these 2 direct questions despite posting anonymously on the internet:

    Seriously, you're doing yourself absolutely zero favors here.
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  15. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

  16. Abu Fadl

    Abu Fadl Banned

    So who was going to go and ask the questions, the infamously ridiculous wimp knuttersunni?
  17. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    abu'l Hasan al-ash'ari of course.
  18. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Instead of diverting the topic by calling me a 'nutter' or a 'moron' answer the above point and we will see who is sincere:

  19. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the correct analogy is: 'i just received information that somebody is going to throw a lighted match on a barrel of petrol in a crowded area, (and this person has done it before) does anybody know that it is true?'

    alerting other muslims of a person's ability to harm is not a sin and not gheebah. particularly, when such a person has a long history of such actions.

    abu fadl's preaching on validation from his high horse might sound profound, but anyone who has read a fiqh book beyond salat-sawm will know the status of things which are common knowledge.

    pir abdu'l qadir is dangerous because he is trying to hack at the roots of our religion by casting aspersions on noble imams like al-ghazali and al-bukhari and even imam abu'l al-ash'ari! you expect us to sit still taking in all that nonsense?

    the least we can do is point out that what he is talking about is utter nonsense and prove it by showing in books how he is talking sheeple for a ride.

    wAllahu'l musta'an wa `alayhi't tuklan.
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  20. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    sub'hanAllah. suppose pir sahib was innocent of attacking imam bukhari and other senior figures of islam including imam ghazali - it would then be necessary to research first whether pir sahib has indeed said so.

    brother muhammad ali has been far more sincere and upright than you have been on this forum - i wish you don't push me to really prove who has been dodgy. silence is in your own favor.

    i have myself watched pir sahib's video in which he freely slandered imam ghazali - i watched it not once but a dozen times or more (if you have ever transcribed a talk from a video/sound clip, you will know.) and i began refuting him here on this forum even when his colors were still unrevealed and i was reviled for calling him out.

    like it or not, it is well-known that pir sahib has accused a SaHabiyah of being unjust and forging Hadith to praise yazid; and that imam ghazali was a khariji (that your ignorant buddies on that awful forum so staunchly defended not long ago).

    if those videos are forgeries, then the awful yanafi forum should purge all their 'defence' or at least shah sahib should make an unequivocal statement that these videos are forgeries; or if he has retracted from them, cite his latest position and that he has indeed abandoned his previous ideas. it is obligatory on him to clarify this because he has muddied the water already with videos in circulation.

    as usual, you fail very poorly at comprehension.
    1. let us say Zayd receives news of an event P from Amr and he asks whether this is true YET AGAIN.

    2. because event P has been true in the past and has been public news.

    3. Bakr accuses Zayd of being a liar and scorns him for not ascertaining whether event P is true.
    you can show this to any person and ask them about Zayd.

    secondly, when we responded, we did it with a good opinion, and thought that pir sahib must have changed his stance and this is an improvement. i wrote:
    so, your raising a ruckus actually means that shah sahib has not changed his view of imam ghazali being a khariji and that it is the status quo.

    tut, tut.

    i suspect that you are making noise only to deflect attention from that which is common knowledge. my direct questions to you who writes as aba FaDl:

    1. does pir abdu'l qadir jilani reject (and deny) that imam ghazali was khariji?

    2. does pir abdu'l qadir jilani consider imam ghazali as hujjatu'l islam?

    if you say yes to both questions, then alHamdulillah - we have no argument. if you keep silent or answer evasively, then your making a song-and-dance about m.ali's 'query' is just a red herring.

    wa billahi't tawfiq.
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2011
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