Kanz ul Iman literature

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  1. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    as if the dayabina know what adab is. sham adab always outs in this type of quixotic umbrage at imagined slights.

    tell him if he knew what adab is he would have left devbandism by now and since he hasn't, he needn't bother his poor little head about 'improprieties' in sunni scholars' works.
  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i still don't understand what you/he are/is quibbling about. it says: "he is not miserly."

    being miserly is bad.
    "not being miserly" is good.

    in this context "not being miserly" means, he has plenty of knowledge that he also tells you about, and is not niggardly in giving it to you. SallAllahu alayhi wa salam.

    i fail to understand how would that be offensive or disrespectful.

    in this case, the words are used to describe an attribute and using such words is indeed disrespectful.

    in the verse which you object, it is a negation.

    saying: "the son of god" is blasphemy. it is insult to the Creator. and negating son/offspring is pure tawHid:

    "lam yuulad"
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  3. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    Notwithstanding the Kufr of Devbandi elders, I find it grossly insulting to the honor of the Last Prophet to use translations of Qadianis as references. We must stop using / promoting them.

    " And He found you drowned in His Love therefore gave way unto Him "
    I suppose this is from professor Shah Fareed ul Haque Sahab's translation. (May Allah have mercy upon him)
  4. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    He means, in normal conversations, we are telling them that they are not able even talk with the correct Adeb, and, in passing he asked me this.

    He is also aware of the following:

    1. Did He not find you wandering and guide you? (An English Translation published in Beirut Lebanon by Dar-Al-Choura).
    2. And He found thee wondering, and He gave the guidance. (Abdullah Yousuf Ali).
    3. And found thee lost on the way and guided thee? (Mohammad Asad).
    4. And He found thee wandering in search for Him and guided thee unto Himself. (Maulvi Sher Ali Qadiani).
    5. And He found thee wandering, so He guided thee. (Abdul Majid Daryabadi).
    6. And found thee groping, so He showed the way. (Maulana Mohammad Ali Lahori Qadiani).
    7. And He found you uninformed of Islamic Laws so He told you the way of islamic laws. (Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi),
    8. Did He not find thee erring and guided thee? (Arberry).
    9. Did He not find thee wandering and direct thee? (Pickthal).
    10. And saw you unaware of the way so showed you straight way. (Maulana Fateh Mohammad Jallendhri).

    " And He found you drown in His Love therefore gave way unto Him "
    (Aalahazrat Imam Ahmed Raza Khan).

    The translators have translated the word "Dhal" in such a way that it affected directly the personality and prestige of the prophet whereas the consensus is that the prophet is sinless prior to the declaration of prophet hood and after the declaration. The words wandering groping, erring are not befitting to his dignity. The word "Dhal" has many meanings the most appropriate meaning has been adopted by Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmed Raza Khan.
  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    what does he mean by 'normal' andaz of our imam? do ask him, i am curious.
  6. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    it seems he is blinded by hatred and wants to find fault just out of spite for the Imam.

    tell him it has the word "NOT" before it. it is similar to Allah absolving His noble Prophet from other accusations of the Kuffar. for example see verse 22 of Surah Takweer.

    and since you have the chance, show him that this ayah is against his aqeedah as well, for it is one of the proofs of the Nabi being granted knowledge of the hidden.
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  7. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    I was speaking to a deobandi, he was saying that, the tarjuma of this word is not like normal andaz of your Imam, how to respond?
    Because this word can mean conceal aswell.
  8. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

  9. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    What is the Arabic word that this is a tarjuma?
  10. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    Translation in Urdu by Ala Hazrat:-

    اور یہ نبی غیب بتانے میں بخیل نہیں

    Bakheel means "Miser"

    Miserly - Definition

  11. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    Can a learned brother tell me if the following tarjuma in English is correct?

    Specifically, for the Ayat e Karima, 81:24, the word "miserly" is used?


    [Takweer 81:24] And this Prophet is not miserly upon the hidden. (Allah gave the knowledge of the hidden to the Holy Prophet – peace and blessings be upon him.)

    [Takweer 81:25] And the Qur’an is not the recitation of Satan the outcast.

    [Takweer 81:26] So where are you going?

    [Takweer 81:27] That is but an advice to the entire creation!

    [Takweer 81:28] For the one among you who wishes to become upright.

    [Takweer 81:29] And what will you wish, except if Allah wills – the Lord of the Creation.

  12. Aqdas

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  13. YaMustafa

    YaMustafa Well-Known Member

    Could brothers recommend any works/articles/books on Ala Hazrats tarjuma e Quran Kanz ul Iman.

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