Mobiles in Prayer

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  1. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    why not? otherwise why do you compare la madhabiyyah vs barailvies?
  2. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    forgot to ask, since you have access to him, why don't you contact the imam and ask him about his act. why get opinions about him from those who were not there and don't know how true is/are your statements about him?

    is it muhal that you cannot spread lies about an individual?

    it would be wise to go back to him, and discuss the issue in a positive manner.

    Do let us know the outcome, until then any furher discussion will be futile, and actually dishonesty.
  3. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    I don't know about UK, but in Pakistan in many masajid of ASWJ the imam himself asks people to turn off their cell phones. it is obvious that they either don't bring their phones or switch them off before coming into the masjid; because I have never heard phones of the aimah ringing. it is people who forget or even arrogantly don't switch off their phones after reminding of the imam.

    regardless how big or small (in status) that imam is, it is an individual's act. do not generalize it, otherwise prove that all ASWJ imams do this.

    it does not have any effect on iqamah, or jama'ah. ideally, phones should be put on vibration, silent, or switched off, regardless of the tune - Islamic or un-Islamic. if it is un-islamic, his phone rings often, then it is a shame for the imam. A mufti will tell you the ruling about such an imam, so consult a mufti. I would avoid praying behind such an imam because of his repeated fisq.

    he should have switched off his phone when it rang the first time, so it is a mistake indeed. but, you can also find an excuse for him; for example, the call was from someone who would have known that the imam was in prayer, and when he rejected the call then the caller should have waited for him to ring back.

    there is a difference of opinion among ulama whether a person, whose phone is ringing, can stop the ringtone with a little effort (amal e khafif) or not.

    a) he should/must if he can do it with little effort( amal e khafif); otherwise he should quit his prayer and stop the tune (music) to maintain the adab of masjid and peace of other people in jama'ah.

    b) other ulama say that it is amal e kathir; therefore, he should not do it. also, there is no effect on the prayer of others because of this sound, though it is against the adab of masjid.

    again a mufti will tell you whether the salah is valid or not. however, according to the above opinion, salah will be valid especially if he had recited tashahud (but, please confirm from a mufti, and I will too ask, inshaAllah)

    as I said above, he was expecting the caller to know that he was in prayer.

    and as you said that he is a big name, then that imam should act like an elder scholar, and switch off his phone.

    having said the above, explain to me what it has to do with ASWJ? your honest reflection, please ;)

    Allah Ta'ala knows best.
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  4. Layman

    Layman Banned

    Yeah I saw that video of their imam, and its conceivable that they take a look at whose calling. Probably part of their culture and possibly arrogance

    Their case is easier dealt with, since it does not concern us as much

    With regards to our own to tell you the truth I can't blame ASWJ yet because you brothers have not even confirmed your agreement with the imam or the error of the imams, how can i then blame ASWJ with certainty? I can't

    The comment 'makes me cringe for myself and ASWJ' is feeling victimised but I can't blame ASWJ on this yet

    Perhaps you see it as an error, perhaps some will want to keep quiet on the issue because I have revealed its a big name personality. Perhaps even Imam #1 is to be considered blameworthy (harsher opinion then the excuses i have made for him)

    note: I will not be naming either Imams, I am happy enough to have raised the issue. If we make a stand on the issue to expect Imams to turn their phones off perhaps they will.
  5. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    regardless of what is the ruling on imam #2, why blame ASWJ for the actions of individuals? I have seen a video of an imam of masjid un nabi alaihi afDalus salaat wat-tasleem, the imam attended the phone call during prayer, asked people to wait, left the masjid while people remained standing, then after a while he came back and continued without iqamah.

    it is a common observation in harmain sharifain that wahabiyyah switch off their phones during prayers, or look at the screen who is calling.
  6. Layman

    Layman Banned

    On the issue of mobiles ringing in prayer

    The first Imam might have just made a one time error, but at the time my impression was he took a calculated risk in leaving his phone on (lax)

    The second Imam makes me cringe for myself and ASWJ (above the law)

    They should turn their phones or ringtones/vibrates off. Give us a straight mindful prayer with adab
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    on what?

    don't know, unless you answer those questions yourself and state your opinion how would we know for sure that you are a kharji? also, let us know what you think about both imams - what they should have done actually and what they should do in the future.
  8. Layman

    Layman Banned

    Just to add

    both guys lead the prayer, are Imams of Masajid, i am not talking about one of the congregation

    Guy 1 is an ordinary Imam
    Guy 2 is a major Imam and lauded Personality of ASWJ

    Where are we headed, or is it just me nit picking, turning kharji?
  9. Layman

    Layman Banned

    As salamu alaikum

    (Not incidences in same prayer)

    1) Guy 1's phone rings whilst in standing position, he takes one hand off, the left hand, and turns phone ringtone off by pressing a button on the phone through pressure on pocket outer garment. (Could be a one off, don't really know him)

    2) Guy 2's phone is not usually turned off or put into silent for prayer except for Juma, his phone has rung before but this particular day phone rings just before iqamat. He looks at phone and rejects the call, near end of prayer it rings again. He says salam to end prayer and takes phone out, rejects the call, throws the phone on the ground in front, makes dua, picks his phone up and vacates the prayer hall. He never did answer it, just rejected the calls

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