Muslim Think Tank

anyway people forget that indian far-right hindu fascism has so much support in their country that they have already formed a federal government once or twice in the past 2 decades and control a number of states even now. in pakistan the wahabi/deobandi terrorists are a nuisance and can never even hope to win in any elections. therein lies a difference. i know indians always crow about how developed india is becoming and its "shining" and going to be the next China etc. etc. but the reality is a lot of that growth is due to the fact that the West and OECD countries see you as a source of cheap labour and outsourcing. besides, you are an important part in the USA's strategic goals which include using india as a bulwark against chinese domination of the region.

in absolute terms there isn't much difference in any economic or social indicators between india and pakistan. both are poverty ridden third world countries but in india the poverty is far more pervasive and obvious. which is why many indians of the middle and upper classes got mightily angry when danny boyle decided to show the toilets that are the slums of bombay and the reality for many indians in the oscar-nominated movie slumdog millionaire.



i hope i am wrong but it will be the pakistani armed forces which will one day liberate the muslims of india. "welcome to radio pakistan - delhi "

 

i love sidi AH but i have to smile;if i was indian i would also say the same! the fact sidi is that the pogroms happened. in pakistan no one kills you for being a muslim. yes there is a massive wahabi terrorist problem with those dogs blowing up mazaars and innocent people in suicide bombs but this only started after pakistan joined america's war on terror after 9/11. even so the total number of people killed is much less than in gujarat alone.
as for the not very subtle blame on pakistan for the violence in kashmir let me tell you my sunni brother that it was an internal uprising in the late 1980s after the people got fed up with being oppressed for so long. yes, i'm sure pakistan supplied them with weapons but so what? indian RAW has been doing the same in Baluchistan and FATA via Afghanistan too. why does india see the need to have HALF their army "guarding" one province? the number of deaths and rapes of muslim civilians in kashmir by the indian hindu/sikh armies has been horrifying. at least muslims in pakistan dont have to worry about that kind of oppression.

as for AQ: sidi, i don't know if you're an indian or a convert but you are wrong to diss qaid-e-azam. he was born into an ismaili family but during the pakistan movement he was supported by great awliya like pir sayyid jamaat ali shah and pir sayyid mihr ali shah sahib and many other mashaikh of ahle sunnat including from bareilly sharif. pir jamaat ali shah sahib said he [jinnah] was doing the work of Allah and it was necessary for muslims to support him. do you think a saint of that stature would have supported a rafidi. jinnah's janazah was read according to sunni rites.

no sir, pakistan would have happened sooner or later. i hope i am wrong but the recent history of india suggests that muslims in india will face genocide like the jews did in germany under the nazis. maybe the really wealthy ones will be able to buy their safety but its inevitable it will happen.

 

Indian Muslims don't look at Pakistan or Saudi Arabia to learn about Islam.It is out of place to say that "since such thing happens in (Islamic) Saudi Arabia" so if it is practiced in India,then why should Indian Muslims Object"? Because Muslims follow Shariah. In Saudi Arabia, many historic places were destroyed, so can the Buddhist monk from Sri Lanka say that since "saudi did it, what is the harm if we also do it"? A wrong act committed by a Muslim or any one else does not become correct , neither does it set a precedence for such act in future.

This is what Indian Hindus bring as evidence to destroy graves and other Islamic monuments. In fact a Hindu went as far as filing an incidence in the court of law stating that a Masjid in Saudi Arabia was "shifted" ( by destroying it) because it was falling in the way during the construction of a road. His argument was that since it happened in Saudi Arabia, ( supposed to be an Islamic country) then what problem do Indian Muslims have in shifting their masjid"?

Of course, the hindu lawyer could never bring the evidence for the supposed 'shift of masjid" and he was told , that Muslims follow shariah and not saudi rulers or saudi scholars.

As far as Indian Muslims are concerned, the situation is alarming. As per Government report , the Indian muslims are worse then the low caste ( dalits) hindus in India and this gap is increasing because the government has provided them with reservation.

Insha Allah I shall continue on this topic in the other thread and will provide reference for all my quotes.

[ This thread was named as ' Muslim think tank" , , to discuss the issues of Muslims across the globe. A thread dedicated to Indian Muslims was started separately]

 

Blame it on jinnah mate.

If there was a unified subcontinent, we wouldn't be facing this problem today, and the Muslims would be a greater and stronger minority against the hindus.

It's all jinnah's fault.

As for mr. nazim al-qubrusi, in short, his manhaj is the exact same manhaj of his disgrace cardinal tahirul padri. You can't call one a saint and the other a devil.

Did I forget to mention, it's all jinnah's fault to play this practical joke called "Pakistan" on the Muslims of the subcontinent?!

 

Within the Kashmir valley, a small area the size of Lebanon, you have 500,000+ Indian soldiers, primarily from the north west, a circle region of 300 km radius around Delhi, where hate for Muslims originates a lot of the times.

No where in the world is such a thing. It only exists in India. The subjugation of 5 million Kashmiri Muslims.

Ask the Azad Kashmiris of Azad Kashmir in Pakistan. They know the truth about India. They live on the frontline. They know better.

 

Jinnah became Sunni and died in tawbah. Abdal qadir will pay on the day of judgement for slandering a Sunni like he slanders Shaykh Nazim hafizuhuAllah ta'ala on our site all the time.

In Gujarat, the number of Muslims burned alive, hacked to death, mutilated, mass raped, and religiously cleansed from ENTIRE DISTRICTS, is 25,000+. Dont believe the Indian figures.

In all the Muslim mass pogroms in the past in India, for example after Babri Mosque, in just one city, just one city, called Surat, 2000 Muslims were killed. And the Indian government gives the total Indian Muslim total to be around 2000 or so. I got this information from meeting local Surat Muslims, in the small pockets they live in today within a sea of 'hindu' areas.

And on top of that you have sectarian violence among Indian Muslims as well. The one in Pakistan is carried out by RAW, the Indian intelligence service to destabilize Pakistan.

The arms flowing into Pakistani tribal areas from Afghanistan are INDIAN.

It afterall, most of the times, comes down to hindutva again. Ask Bangladesh. Ask Bangladeshis how they hate Indians.

 

Enjoy the hate mail and be prepared to be called a munafiq.

If you especially have a penchant for hate mail from ignorant Pakistani wahabis and conniving shias, be sure to also point out what a terrible terrible disservice the rafidi jinnah did to the Muslims of the subcontinent.

I always thought that the words 'East Pakistan' were self explanatory but I've changed my opinion for good reason ...

 

so wadood, what is your opinion about my cousin buying a house in the same area where my aunt lives? given that you know more about india than i do, i think you are the best person to seek advice. (sotto voce: my aunt's place has two hindu families down the lane. what do you think?)

and any idea when the road behind the water tank will be complete? it is taking too long, don't you think?

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if any muslim - misguided or whatever - committed an act of terror, and the common people in the west react like NJ did, we would cry, 'islamophobia,' and that we are misunderstood and implore to not use a broad brush and so forth. we insist that deeds of few miscreants should not be used to judge a community and that it is unfair. if limbaugh or oreilly stir sentiments against mozlems, we are angered; but zaid hamid is king.

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i am not sympathetic to the hindu religion or anything, but fair is fair. we cannot blame all of them as bloodthirsty and inhuman for the acts of a few people.

even zogby-polls probably asks a thousand people before forming an opinion; but among 1 billion people and purportedly 300 million muslims - how many people did zaid hamid or wadood or NJ ask?

@NJ:

we muslims in india live in more safety than muslims do in pakistan. all you have to do is count how many muslims were killed in pakistan in sectarian-violence in the last 7 months and compare the list with similar incidents in india. there have been pogroms like gujarat, but such things are bound to happen in a modern world where "muslim" countries act without any foresight and are concerned about muslims only in their geographical location. actually, we were doing fine until our muslim brothers began 'helping' us in the late 80s.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

wadood has a point there. yes there are some indians hinood who are good people on a dunyavi level; they tend to be those who are either irreligious or non-practising hinood. the rest of them are full of hatred and if any muslim country had carried out the pogroms in gujarat where 10s of 1000s of muslims were killed, raped, and burned alive at a state-sponsored level the outcry in the west would have been thunderous and you would have had calls for UN intervention and putting sanctions on india and the Hague would have been mentioned. after all, it wasn't any different to the state sponsored killing of the Jews by the Nazi in WW2. Yet, apart from a few media outlets--mostly non-mainstream and "loony left"--it didn't get any coverage.

instead you get muslim uncle toms warbling on about indian democracy.

it says in the quran that the worst enemies of the muslims are the yehood and the hinood [mushrikeen idolators].

 

Dr faqir, of deenport.com, lives in a dream world. He lives in the internet. Muslims are very different overall to the idol worshipping polythiest 'hindu'

This happened in Araria near the Nepalese border not far away from West Bengal in that corner of India. Araria is a district that, according to the Indian government is 41.1% Muslim. Imagine what the Muslims of Gujarat must have gone through, as they lived in districts where their percentages were far lower. Only Allah ta'ala knows Best.

And then you have so many Muslims gunned down in Bharatpur!

The pakistani ranger shot the young thief in the leg. He at least had that shame.

These hindu RSS monsters shot the innocent boys and woman and child above the waist like random. And then the hindu RSS monster jumped over his face with full force! and then kicked it.

The treatment they give to the dalits is similar, if not, worse. It is from that violence they learn how to perpetrate barbarism onto Muslims. Its endemic in their hindutva culture.

 

Yeh but what annoyed me was they only singled out the muslims.

 

we have our own karachi kops (rangers) who were recently filmed shooting an unarmed civilian - i believe one of them has been sentenced to death but he has launched an appeal.... this kind of police brutality is endemic in the subcontinent.

may Allah give jannah to the muslims murdered in the video.

 

to paraphrase sayyid zaid hamid sahib, "humein dushman bhi mile ha tu itna kameena!"

 

i couldn't watch it after 30 seconds. disgusting. those urophiliac, cow-worshipping mofos should [edited] seeing stuff like this makes me so so glad that qaid e azam muhammad ali jinnah made pakistan.

our elders were correct when they summed up the hindu nation like this:

bughal mein chuRi, munh mein Ram Ram
(with a dagger hidden underneath their armpits they say the name of
God out aloud).

All those Muslim uncle toms as well who also go around talking about peace peace and holding hands and singing kumbayaas and prattling on about aman ki asha with these monkey-worshippers are as much to blame.

this kind of barbarism happens periodically in "democratic, liberal" india.it makes me wish that when we ruled them for a 1000 years we should have wiped them all out but instead we were too bloody civilised!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00KVY0k6SVY&feature=related

 

extremely disturbing video, warning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncn2akDul9w

This is India today.

 

The need to have a think tank of Muslims.
Qualities which the members of this think tank must have.
... and other issues related with this.