Questions about Sheykh Nazim

Discussion in 'Tasawwuf / Adab / Akhlaq' started by FaqirHaider, Jun 15, 2016.

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  1. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider اللَه المقدر والعالم شؤون لا تكثر لهمك ما قدر يكون

    Allah knows best , but we classify people as insane (where applicable) to free them from blame. Temporary madness/insanity. As for the late shaykh I can not say say, and since he is in the grave we leave his state to Allah ﷻ.
  2. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    He was insane?
  3. Alf

    Alf Active Member

    It could be another way of saying what brother FaqirHaider has mentioned that one who knows Allah, no sin can harm him. Allah knows best.
  4. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider اللَه المقدر والعالم شؤون لا تكثر لهمك ما قدر يكون

    Insane, therfore we can say that this hadith may be Applied to the now late shaykh.
  5. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Which category does he fall under?
  6. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider اللَه المقدر والعالم شؤون لا تكثر لهمك ما قدر يكون

    Sorry, it was not in reference to the specific personality but to those who fall under the three aformentioned categories.
  7. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    How has this now become a "fact" in reference to this personality?
  8. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider اللَه المقدر والعالم شؤون لا تكثر لهمك ما قدر يكون

    The pen being lifted refers to the fact that the Angels are not writing his actions.
  9. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    I understand that but what he is saying is different, he is saying the Angels are not writing his actions.
  10. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider اللَه المقدر والعالم شؤون لا تكثر لهمك ما قدر يكون

    Imam Rabbani the Mujaddid (in his work mabda-o-maad) teaches us that Hazrat Shihabuddin had a hal of a lower maqam and that’s why he contradicted the sunna. Therefore we know Awliya can make mistake in their kashf or unveilings.

    Some sufi masters have said, He who knows Allah, no sin can harm him. (Man `arafa ‘l-Lahu la yadurruhu dhanbun.)

    One of the interpretation given by the Mujaddid in agreement with sharia

    " That statement may also refer to the sins committed after attaining this God-realization (ma`rifat). In that case, “sin” means “small sin” (al-dhanbu ‘l-saghiru) not great (al-kabiru). It is because that the friends of Allah are protected from those [great sins anyway]. And small sins are not harmful for him because the [sufi] does not engage in them repeatedly; instead he repents (tawba) and seeks forgiveness (istigfar) for them without any delay."

    The deviants (sing. mulhid, pl. malahid) interpret this statement as meaning that the gnostic may engage in committing sins because sin will not harm him. [Those deviants who believe in that wrong meaning] are clearly wrong and they are patent heretics whose existence is a threat to the community (batil, zindiq).

    The Messenger of Allah (صلي الله عليه وسلم) said: “The Pen is lifted from three (i.e., their deeds are not recorded):
    1. a child until he reaches puberty;
    2. an insane man until he comes to his senses;
    3. one who is asleep until he wakes up.”
    [Recorded in Abu Dawud #4403, and Ibn Majah #2041]
  11. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    "1st Massacre Taif" strikes!
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  12. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    My Arabic isn't the best but what is mentioned in the subtitles seems to be a correct translation?
  13. sunnistudent

    sunnistudent Veteran

    This act is spreading among some of the Indian Molvis as well.
  14. faatimatoon

    faatimatoon Guest

    As salam alaykum

    I have seen the problem you are talking about. I 've been in sufi-haqqani gatherings in spain, england, germany and france and it was always the same. The place for dhikr is separated in two areas, one for men, one for women. There is no hijab between, and the dhikr is leaded for both circles. It's different in arabic places or turkish where areas are most separated. When it's finish, women join their husbands or fathers or brothers.
    Some times one great sheikh is coming and everyone wants to talk with him about his personal problems. It was the same at the time of rasulullah (saws). you can read in seerah old women catching his blessing arm, women asking him directly, not behind a hijab or a wall.
    The problem is that in such small places with a lot of persons all wanting to speak with the sheikh, it makes a disaster and sheikh is the first to be confused of that, that's why he gave orders, time for men, time for women, but too much newcomers not knowing the rules of adab and respect make its difficult.
    Some of them are coming for the very first time and they take shahada and tariqa at the same time.
    The problem is also that westerners sufi new-muslims find difficult the rules of separation between men and women because of their culture and their habits.
    Concerning kissing the hands, sheikh Nazim is following hanifi madhab, and as an old person it's not forbidden for women to kiss his hands by respect, like in the maliki madhhab. The most severe is chafii concerning this point.
    For bay'a, sheikh nazim is always giving his stick to women.
    I invit you to visit him, you will see by your eyes how he is following sunna in every deeds.
  15. nik61

    nik61 New Member

    Dear Brother,

    In my humble opinion, I'd refrain from making any judgements about Shaykh Nazim.
    But the Shariah must always be uphold. What Hadrat Imam Rabbani have said: If someone deviates even only hairbreadth from Sheriat, then all his makam, hal and kashif become istidraj, it is the truth, no matter how painful it is.
    The primary task of a Sufi Shaykh is to uphold the Shariah. People who are on the Path (Tariqah) must always bring with them the LAW (Shariah). Threading the Tariq devoid of the LAW is useless.
  16. Nayyarah

    Nayyarah New Member

    I understand wot u mean brother, we got the same problem up here in the Netherlands...
  17. al-turki

    al-turki Guest

    I would do so, if i knew how to get in contact....
  18. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    Sidi, why don't you ask Shaikh Effendi - I'm sure he can help you.
  19. al-turki

    al-turki Guest

    90 Views, but not reply. Was i too harsh?
  20. al-turki

    al-turki Guest

    Also it becomes a lot more difficult when i think of mektubati Rabbani, where Imam Rabbani states:
    "If someone deviates even only hairbreadth from Sheriat, then all his makam, hal and kashif become istidraj"

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