Discussion in 'Miscellany' started by Ridawi78692, Apr 8, 2015.

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  1. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Hes a waste, the imams who still agree he is a good person after knowing what "bakhwaas" he has uttered are inevitably doing what the deobandis are good at "backing thier elders when they are clearly wrong"
    A lot of ulama in my opinion once being told regarding his hypocrisy will accept the fatawa...if they dont they need to bring an argument, which im afraid they havent got.!!
  2. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    like Zahid Shah from the UK.
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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    tahir is a zindiq. and a shameless liar.
    that tahir is jahil, is obvious to anyone who has a basic understanding of islamic fiqh/sciences.

    anyone who praises him after a serious examination only screams: 'i am a jahil'.

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
  4. Rumi786

    Rumi786 ghulam-i-Shams-Tabrizam

    Just because someone hasn't written a reply to akhtar raza khan's fatwa against Tahir ul Qadri -- as far as you know -- it doesn't mean the reason is because they haven't got any dalail. It could simply be they don't consider it worth replying to as he is well known - despite being a buzurg - of declaring everyone and their cat as being non-sunni. He didn't even spare DI and SDI. I'm sorry to say it is this extremist attitude that 'only Bareilly is the true representative of Sunni Islam' that has put people off azhari miyan and his followers...

    Those in India probably know the situation better than me but other than hardcore murids of azhari miyan how many other Sunnis in India follow his ruling on TUQ ? So to try and bring these views to the UK and propagate them amongst all,Sunni mosques will only divide Sunnis more.

    I hope I haven't hurt anyone's feelings.
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  5. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Brother abdal qadir, i must have got it is the place in india..rumi786 no one has writtem a reply to azhari miyan fatwaa? That shows they havnt got dalail..

    And music, yes there is differnce of opinon but no one will agree to the music imam asim had put on one of his events trailer..
  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    can you link the fatwa please. i don't think Amjadiya of khi gave a fatwa against tahir. it's another Amjadiya in india.
  7. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Agree with you to some extent..the fatwa given by jamia amjadiya karachi and azhari miya regarding tuq should be passedto local imams in the country as the man has committed outright kufr and he tries to mislead people..we are not going to move an inch when it comes to aqidah..

    It is a religion of love but that isnt an excuse to allow haraam things to be committed, such as music in trailer of events..
  8. Rumi786

    Rumi786 ghulam-i-Shams-Tabrizam

    If we present Islam as a religion of Love -- which it is -- then the youth will be attracted towards it and so will all others...
  9. Rumi786

    Rumi786 ghulam-i-Shams-Tabrizam

    maybe the scholars don't share the same view as you guys on this forum that those scholars ARE deviants and accept them as having valid differences of opinion. Either that or they are all a bunch of hypocrites who say whatever to whomever whenever it benefits them. I think the first possibility is more charitable. Secondly bro Attari you say a fatwa has been passed -- by whom--and why should all UK Sunnis have to follow it?

    I agree with you that Sunnis in the UK are a shambles and refusing to adapt to ground realities unlike other groups who have realised that the battles of late 19th century/early 20th century Uttar Pradesh have almost no relevance to the daily lives of the Muslims in the UK -- esp. the youth. Secondly most of our ulema still cannot speak English and those young scholars who can are still forced to play second-fiddle to the older generation.

    Rather than making non-Muslims Muslims, people are too busy making Muslims into non-Muslims!

    People like HY and TuQ and Asim Hussain are at least doing some work in making the young people take an interest in Islam...

    Please don't take my above comments personally, it is an observation of what's wrong with Sunnis in general. We don't think beyond our own noses.
  10. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    No one likes talking on these topics as they are realities..
  11. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Qari javed akhtar who every molvi is on good terms with, sits with paq and irfan shah saab, im saying we need to adress people like this, or our big scholars need to ask such indivsuals where do they stand. Pir haseenuddin from pakistan is ok with all these moulana's from the uk, and also sits with paq, u cant educate the new comers if there arent clear cut scholars for us to follow. Not every one knows the philosophy that ahle sunnah does nor change or look bad if the molwis are, people just think the jamaat as a whole is a joke!
  12. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    The timetables in ramadhan throughout the uk are totally wrong and made on a baseless formula of some kind. Too much ego problems with the ulama on refraining and closing the fast earlier!
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  13. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Bro theyve made statement when disagreeing that namaaz is not jaiz behind that imam who differs.

    You know what i mean, Our jamaat is made to look like a place of total disunity. Two eids, diferent fasting times. Some scholars saying taq is kafir, others saying hes the mujaddid.
  14. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Why are you playing the "you did that game". Just because someone wears a green imamah shareed dun mean he's a mubaligh. All mubalighs are told to read bahaar e shariat, and a few other works immediatly aswell.

    Im telling you its messed up, which shaykh didnt go ghamkol shareef for sufi saabs janaza, all paq went, so did pir irfan shah's ulama, that paq was at the house of pir habibullah of ghamkol.

    Ok if u say so, if its repeatable it means its not accepted, you knew what i meant.
  15. Ethical_Barelvi

    Ethical_Barelvi Active Member

    Nothing personal, I don't know the Shaykh personally , go visit him if you have a problem far as I am aware he is very open according to various sources.
  16. Musafir

    Musafir Active Member

    The scholars in Dawate Islami also need to tell the muballigheen to avoid sitting in the gatherings of deviants
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  17. inquisitive

    inquisitive Well-Known Member

    No, they don't. Rather they disagree on whether repeating such a Salah is necessary or not.
  18. IslamIsTheTruth

    IslamIsTheTruth Well-Known Member

    @Attari786, capital 'A' for Allah.
  19. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Dont take it personal bro, thats whys hindered us big tym, bro when paq was in hospital a while ago, big scholars who refute him went to see him...they just dont tell us that..

    Im telling you sumat needs to b done, many pir are in thier own little circle..
  20. Ethical_Barelvi

    Ethical_Barelvi Active Member

    Attari go see Pir Mahroof, his doors in Bradford are open 24.7-He is one of the leading Mashaikh in the UK, there's no doubt his contribution to Ahle Sunnah has been immense. I suggested you go see them if you have a problem.

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