Shaykh Nabil of Coventry

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  1. Sacred

    Sacred Active Member

    Fair enough
  2. Nawazuddin

    Nawazuddin Veteran

    Ya Aba Hasan! I think, you need to convince His son and refute the following and please do not say that give it in writing as there are many things which you have refuted here from lectures. please stick to the points therein and avoid the red herring!

  3. Yasser Rashid

    Yasser Rashid Active Member

    Brother I hope you know what's going on, otherwise I'm just gonna usurp some valuable time rewriting old stuff.

    Is this all about alliances and who should say what and when? Is it a game of chess? Or is it a contest of "you scratch my back ill scratch yours"?

    Because that's the vibe I get from what you're saying.

    All those tv channels I mentioned below are unwise. How about that to extinguish your irrational claim?

    Who mentioned shaykh munawwar!?

    I hope you're not a stirrer brother. Because if you are you'll be the first guy I'll be chasing up.

    As for sayyid irfan shah he was seen crying and carried by some fellas on ummah channel to some qawwali.
    Now that's not the way forward brother. We all know that even the ulama who've allowed qawwali as such stipulated clear conditions (shurut) to be upheld and maintained at all times. Shah Saab didn't. And having done so is to the detriment of ahl al sunnah because he's our "lion" isn't he?

    What exactly do you want me to agree on?!:

    That all these guys you mention are ever so adamant to implement umur ishrin in every mosque?

    Or that the "image" is ever so important?

    Like I said these very people have tarnished their own image and rep so the answer to your somewhat daft question is:

    Who cares about networking with these people? I don't. I can't speak for others and maybe I don't matter as much but there maybe many others who feel just like me.

    Again so much to lament. But there really isn't any point. Maybe I'm just depressed but these guys haven't helped much decrease the level of melancholy. Who knows?

    Allah knows best!
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  4. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Actually it will not create a problem amongst them. I don't think they will be bothered about internet forums. Unlike the murids of Sh Yaqoubi's cult who got upset over a set of e mails the murids of Saqib Shami are much more responsible. In the past they've had big disagreements but they behave more mature over their disagreements.

    On the other hand Yaqoubites are bitter and throwing their toys out of their pram. Sacred perhaps you can as the SK lot anout it?
  5. Sacred

    Sacred Active Member

    Yasser Rashid are you really the brother of Shaykh Asrar? seems abit unwise the way your going about doing things

    This is going to spark up controversy big time and your brother will just end up getting the blame wont he?

    Everyone knows the problems Shaykh Asrar and Shaykh Saqib have had....i dont see the point of really bringing up pir saqib because people are going to take it as bitterness from your side

    Shaykh Nabeel respects Shaykh Asrar highly ...this will just cause conflict in the hearts of people

    Plus people will take it as your having alot of shots at other people like Allamah Irfan Shah Saab and Mufti Monawwar and it will all just rebound onto Shaykh Asrar

    you may not agree but allah knows best
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  6. Sacred

    Sacred Active Member

    What I'm trying to say is that when one of the moderators deleted my snapshot of some shami muridas publicising Habib jamis car as being "blessed" with the hope that no "najdi or pir hater buys it" I was of the view that if they're that staunch why even allow such "innovators" to buy it in the first place?!

    what is this about?
  7. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    I believe a picture doesn't prove much. That is with most pictures. The context is unknown. Sometimes the person may not know the background of the person who requests a picture. Or he could be talking and someone takes a picture.

    Saqib Shami is a Sunni and definitely against TQ.
    Once Saqib Shami went to Ghamkol to see someone. That person pulled him into the masjid and made him sit. TQ was delivering a lecture on Bukhari but by the time Saqib realised TQ's people recorded him. Anyone seeing that would think he endorses TQ. We know for a fact he doesn't.
  8. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Those in the circle from 2006 and those close to them are in the know. As well as those who ask.
  9. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    @Sacred, what's a mAureed? the next best thing after a Sidi?
  10. Haqbahu

    Haqbahu Veteran

    Really confusing stuff. On the one hand some of our scholars are saying dr. Tahir is a murtad
    and on the other hand our young Sunni star is seen on a picture with a young minhaji star.
  11. Sacred

    Sacred Active Member

    Kattarsunni the maureeds know Shaykh Asrar's views? i dont think they do

    they have been less vocal since Pir Saqib has so many young maureeds
  12. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    That was posted by Umar Minhaji. It was at the Janaza of the ARY Director in Luton
  13. Haqbahu

    Haqbahu Veteran

    Two young shining stars of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaat in Europe
    Shaykh Dr Umar Al-Qadri &
    Shaykh Pir Saqib Shami

    Saqib & Minhaji.png
  14. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    luckily this system of genuflection to "authorisations" was not found in early centuries.

    being merely a student of great men wouldn't accord you immunity; you had to be up to the mark yourself - even if you had a mashaykhat of 600 great muhaddithin, and you were caught lying or forging stuff, you would be slammed as a waDDa' and kadh'dhab, without bothering about your list of teachers. nobody spared waSil ibn aTa just because he used to be a student of Hasan al-baSri.

    yet, in our age, merely listening to or meeting a great man gives blanket immunity. see? tahir padri has only so many links - he has the shortest chain, blah blah...

    so what? one can find kadh'dhabin who had only 3 or 4 links in their narrations. but comparing tahir to them is unjust and criminal. they might have been liars who forged or manipulated hadith for whatever reason, but they were not total sell-outs like tahir. who gathers people in the name of Mustafa SallALlahu alayhi wa sallam and holds a concert for everyone "to invoke the name of their own lord in their own tradition". is this what Mustafa SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam taught us?

    it is only in this age of fitna that people don't find it offensive, and are inert as if nothing happened. PAQS apparently was offended (as the rumour goes for not being given importance, Allah ta'ala knows best) but not for the name or mission of Mustafa SallAllahu `alayhi wa sallam.

    tahir justified later on, and claimed that it was a sunnah! astaghfirullahi'l azeem. "scholars" neither have the courage nor the self-respect to call a murtad, a murtad. the least they should do is to abdicate their posts after having lost the moral authority. whether they do it or not, we shall abandon scholars who do not have the courage to criticise such obvious munkars.

    take known forgers and liars, as agreed upon by hadith scholars: nobody considers them authorities and nobody takes their deen from their narrations, except where weak narrations are used as corroborative evidence for other routes, for reasons and conditions laid down by hadith and fiqh imams - as it is well known to people perusing these sciences. many a forger has AUTHENTIC chains, less than three links and has indeed sat in the company of great imams; but when his forgery or lie is discovered and documented, it tarnishes everything they narrate.

    then why should you be enamoured by 15th century pretenders? tahir openly lies, imprecating himself on false oaths - even ordinary people who follow pakistani politics know that is an outright liar. self-respecting muslims should distance themselves from such liars.

    long story short: don't intimidate us with "authorisations". first prove that you are worthy of integrity yourself; authorisations only add value to that.

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
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  15. Nawazuddin

    Nawazuddin Veteran

    yara! mein te inna mawlawiyaan te peeran kolon tang hoi gayan....
  16. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    may i ask what does he do as a pir?

    really, i don't know. i don't live in uk. but this cage match got the better of my curiosity
  17. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    thats what Hazrat Yaqoubi Sahibs murids say about Maulvi also

    'authorised' these days in both the inner/outer sciences is not too difficult with these crash courses and the number of shakes we have

    Maulvi didn't get a
    • Licence (Ijaaza) to Teach all Islamic Sciences, issued by Shaykh Muhammad al Ya’qoubi of Damascus (1426/2005)

    Akram has

    'Ijaza (licenses or certificates) from over 600 scholars, many of them the most renowned scholars of our time'
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  18. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    The murids know his views. His made it clear to the murids what he thinks. Saqib Shami sends students to him and they know very well that he wrote 'Unauthorised' against Saqib Sahib and has not retracted it. This is unlike the murids of Shaykh Yaqoubi who avoid him because he has disagreement with their Pir.
  19. Yasser Rashid

    Yasser Rashid Active Member

    I guess if mr Keller was on here he'd claim that I'm the one committing the fallacy of guilt by association. He might be right.

    But the truth is, it applies to all of us (and Keller of course) depending on the weather.

    What I'm trying to say is that when one of the moderators deleted my snapshot of some shami muridas publicising Habib jamis car as being "blessed" with the hope that no "najdi or pir hater buys it" I was of the view that if they're that staunch why even allow such "innovators" to buy it in the first place?!

    I'm not exposing any "Sunni". They're ALL exposing themselves daily by being on farcical channels like ummah, takbir, noor and all the other business, money churning factories of media. At the same time all these people are posting almost daily on fb and other online medium.

    Therefore, I personally am convinced, that that snapshot should've remained hereon, so that people can pull their socks up and stop making spiritual notions of the din something to be expressed on Facebook or YouTube or anywhere else. I guess 'artificial religion' is the right term for that notion.

    There's no point being sarcastic if you can't be bothered admitting that "Sunnis" for the most part are a joke. Look at the tv channels alone. Then look at all the proper scholars selling out as the years are passing by.
    Even irfan shah Saab made himself look strange when he sat in that shaamified qawwali mehfil.
    What will your justification for that be?
    Will you say: "let it be. Aqida is all that matters. That college kid that Yasser speaks of is just a jahil kid."

    You haven't even bothered answering most my points and responded with "of you say so"

    Straw man argument isn't even applied here because it's not much of a debate that we're having really. It's just a matter of avoiding all that which blurs true brelwism. Something which we agree on really.

    Your point about privatising it all has been answered above many a time. If anything I'm criticising the fact that they're all going viral as it is. So I'm for that more than you!

    Something which is already public cannot be privatised so easy.

    The irony in all this is that you're comparing me to naqshbandis style while guys like wadood are giving me likes!!
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  20. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Is Pir Saqib a genuine Pir??

    Yes or No

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