Shaykh Yaqoubi RIS 2013

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  1. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    a question tariq ramadan can answer in relation to himself

    as he said at RIS2013 Knowledge Retreat
     
  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    - mark hanson at RIS2013 Knowledge Retreat
     
  3. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    mark hanson even has a PG13-rated session on dec 29, :)

    http://www.revivingtheislamicspirit.com/convention/program.php?id=15

     
  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    What are its signs?

    ummm, is it 'scholars' like you guys?
     
  5. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    one of the items for the 28th of december is this

    http://www.revivingtheislamicspirit.com/convention/program.php?id=14

    i'm not as intelligent as tariq ramadan.

    can someone decipher that for me please?
     
  6. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    Robert Fisk:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-tree-destroyed--but-to-what-end-9021017.html

    These Facebbok 'Sufi' cults that claim to control the FSA seem quiet on these extremists and are even in denial.
     
  7. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    http://halfsyrian.wordpress.com/201...fi-dhikr-at-muhieddine-mosque-by-simon-burns/
     
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    the sunnah of getting married is well alive and needs no revival - at least for now. but hey maybe hosein nasr will pitch mut3ah as a substitute for it!

    http://www.revivingtheislamicspirit.com/convention/page.php?id=10&sub=25

    this is as hilarious as it is pathetic!
    http://www.revivingtheislamicspirit.com/convention/artists.php?id=68
    http://www.revivingtheislamicspirit.com/convention/artists.php?id=65
     
  9. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    i assure you all that fancy biography of his on that website, being the all-american adventurer and studying under various different scholars, living in tents with bedouins and what not is a rehash from some of his reading list - the american part is inspired by mark twain or others, the Mauritanian part by alf layla - designed to woo in sheep who like good stories and bad shepherds to lead them.

    i tell you from personal experience with one of his direct students, they LIE & exaggerate about their credentials. one rotten scoundrel he taught, calls himself an 'imam' and he too has a fancy list of names of shuyukh, exotic Arab towns, al-Azhar, and what not to his credit; and yet he can't as much as recite the Fatiha properly. he wouldn't have studied deen for half an year, and yet his profound biography mentions at least 10 years of study.

    it's the oldest trick with propaganda & marketing.

    put up a website, claim to be a 'guru', and throw in a bunch of qualifications and credentials next to your name - and you're in business.

    no one's gonna bother checking up. go to Mauritania and ask Shaykh Murabit Al-Haj about this guy, and you might as well get an altogether different view of him from the shaykh. maybe he (hanson) was himself the one his teachers adorned with titles like "ya ghabi", "ya jahsh" and "ya ahmuq". i have no doubt that as an arrogant american idiot, he would have visited Mauritania with his backpack - as a tourist, and would have probably stayed in a humble dwelling for two weeks in a village due to the hilton not being available - and he probably would have enjoyed it too equating it to an american camping trip minus the motor-home, but the rest of the stuff about him gaining knowledge living there is probably just hogwash.

    (granted, in mark's case, with the little Arabic he knows, it does seem that he at least studied the language, if not at one stretch under one teacher, in various bits and pieces. my point is that these guys lie and exaggerate things 20 folds at a minimum. maybe thats all he ever studied - the language, and maybe he was called jahsh when he did. his knowledge of texts is despicable at best!)

    as long as you have an intense desire to make a career in religion, some bits and pieces of texts with you, you can overcome your fear of public speaking, AND THE AKHIRAH, you can pretty much throw any spin on those bits and pieces of texts that you randomly picked up at a khutbah or at a 2 hour reading from oriental translations, and foolish sheep will easily believe you.

    and then the snowball effect takes place. you get a call to deliver a speech or a lecture, you get a video on youtube, and so on. you set off on a journey of success, which started on a bunch of lies. you add more lies along with way. and now you have a 'track record' so to speak. foolish sheeple have another reason to come to your lectures - you have a track record of some x number of speeches, courses, videos etc, and you've even offered a free one-on-one consultation to the president of the usa.

    religion is the most profitable business right now!
     
  10. kattarsunni

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  11. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

  12. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    there are people like shaykh Jameel bin Arif and shaykh Nooruddin Itr who are not very well known on the internet but are well known for their piety in their communities. It is said that shaykh itr has taken up uzlah because he is never seen at public events these days.

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    I think the popular figures are only a reflection of the community they represent. If the people are themselves insincere in their relationship to the Creator, one can hardly expect their leaders (who emerge from among them) to be pious and god-fearing.

    and this is logical too. A person who is after fame and wealth will naturally do those things that will please his audience the most. So if the masses think that the shariah-rulings regarding purdah are too strict, he will tell them its okay to sometimes 'let your hair down'. If they think they will be better off loving their non-muslim friends irrespective of what their beliefs and actions are, he'll tell them that it's a really good thing to love non-muslims and that they might not even have to go to hell etc. etc. The shortest path to people's hearts is to tell them what they want to hear.

    Is it a surprise then that only those speakers who do the above become the heart-throbs?

    If the people were actually interested in knowing the truth as it is rather than their whims being accorded sanction from the shariah under the labels of reform or ijtihad or hikmah, even a charlatan would have no choice but to study the deen and tell the things as they actually are.

    it's a symbiotic relationship which is also seen in other areas of life, most notably in politics.
     
  13. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    well known as a deviant moron and/or a closet shia. that's the ground reality. the tv channels he appears on or the rags publishing his rubbish op-eds are at the bottom of the food chain.

    the common Arab Sunni on the street is generally perplexed and really doesn't know who to trust or what's what anymore. the only blind sheep who support such cult masters are their blind murids. those who are Sunnis but not murids of pompous cult masters, are better off by leagues. they might feel poorer for not having a personal shaykh or the plastic adab of the jahil murids, but wallahi, they are richer than such people. heck the average wahabi who isn't deep into wahabism is a better person than the blind sheep murids of these guys.

    and truth be told, these people ARE a greater menace than wahabism or shiaism. these people have no idea how much promotion and canvassing they do for wahabism.

    geoffrey the hadrami is not as loved in the middle east as people might think. don't be fooled by the first page google search results spitting out comments on youtube videos and forums by the sheep.

    the media and internet have magnified these cults into larger than they are.
     
  14. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Harun Hanif doesn't like Shaykh Yaqoubi because Shaykh Sahib does not like Shaykh Samir alNass. Of course members of each group want to promote their group leader. He respects Hamza Yousef more than Shaykh Yaqoubi referring to him as 'Mr Yaqoubi'.

    Ibrahim Osi Efa, Harun Hanif, Atabek Shukrov etc have their own agenda and the other groups have their own agenda which is to further the name of their particular clan. What is the crux of the matter is the clear aquida issues.

    For their information: no one has declared you master Hamza Yousef as a kafir.

    Secondly, Hamza has not retracted his Dante comments (so do not know what Harun Hanif is talking about).

    Thirdly Harun Hanif should not try to get Barelawi's to refute Shaykh Yaqoubi because he has issues with the former based on the political difference with Shaykh Samir and Habib Ali. Do it yourself mate and grow a pair.

    Last point: the 'Bareilawi's' did not refute Hamza until Hamza's mistakes stacked up on one another. First he said Buddha is a prophet, then he said guidance is in other than Islam, then he said Lahori Qadiyanis are Muslim, then he defended Dante, etc and then he was refuted.

    The 'lions' have not refuted a host of people. The only two to date who have been completely refuted are Keller and Hamza. And even these two have not been called 'kafir'.
     
  15. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    This RUSI interview was full of mistakes and contradictions. Of course the sheep will not listen to it and realise that. The murids are told to go on every video and go press like on the videos. Every video that is released a circular is sent to the murids to 'like' the video and leave positive comments.

    The murids are told to make a facebook account and like the comments etc posted on the shaykh's FB page.

    But I don't think they actually listened to the contents of this RUSI interview and if they have they cannot defend its content from a shariah perspective.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGbLxFA1fM4

    The shaykh is also in denial that the Wahabis have taken over the revolution:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qQbk2xa2Lg

    One sheep writes:

    To date we do not know the fighters who are under the authority of shaykh sahib, but group members clearly believe this.
     
  16. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Shaykh Yaqoubi states that Shaykh Ramadan alButi 'did the worst damage to ahl alsunnah' in the BBC interview. But in another place he states he is the 'mujaddid' stating:

    There are too many contradictions like this.

    The only reaction his blind following sheep murids give to all of this nonsense is 'the Shaykh has wisdom which you guys do not have' or they will say 'you guys are not as learned as him'.

    The sheep have to realise is that there is no blind following in principles of religion and their shaykh is not as learned as other learned scholars that he contradicts. But the sheep do believe that the shaykh is the biggest living authority in the world and everyone must bow down to his authority.

    Some of the sheep even believe that their Pir is bigger than Ala Hazrat and a host of others (like Imam A'bdul Wahab Sha'rani).

    Nowadays the group is only promoting miracles of the order and the shaykh. They do not and cannot tackle any theological issues or issues of jurisprudence.

    This is not surprising as the shaykh has clearly stated that theological issues should stay in the confines of a classroom. Also, that we should not tackle issues of creed in Friday lectures and neither should we condemn Christians etc.

    It is obvious that the shaykh is not the greater authority but Hamza Yousef is. HY is the bees knees and has all the influence. Shaykh Yaqoubi needs him and not the other way around. Habib A'li is the big man in the Middle East and well known.

    Even the sheep followers do not know what takes place behind the scenes. They do not know who these people meet and rub shoulders with.

    So it is not surprising what turn all of these issues have taken.

    From condemning RMW, Hamza, Jifri standing for the priest etc the shaykh has changed his tune. Either he was wrong then or he is wrong now?
     
  17. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

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  18. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Harun Hanif from Liverpool is getting is boxers in a twist about this. For these cults its all about my cult my cult its a cults man world. They will play the ahl al Bayt card and then go after a Shah Sahib because he don't get on with their Shaykh.

    He will address a American who is explicit in what he said as Shaykh and not give the benefit of doubt to a Shah Sahib and refer to him as 'Mr'.

    He is calling for the likes of Maulvi Asrar to be Sunni Lions and speak out now. Why don't you speak out Neefa Pistol? He is adamant Mark has done Tawba but where? Speak out against the Common Word also.

    Scouser you be a lion or are you afraid that your paid courses will not get attended or youtube videos not liked?

    Like Maulvi Asrar says we are all one Biradri the Sunni Biradri, no Jat, Raja, Gujjar or even Mianai.

    May we live and die on the truth of the Deen of Islam and ahl Sunnah; Ameen
     
  19. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

  20. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    No wonder Mark say's stuff like.. he sure isn't taking theology outside the classroom

    “One of the things our Abrahamic Traditions suffer from is exclusivism. Many of the people who adhere to Abrahamic teachings whether they be Jews, Christians or Muslims, tend to see themselves as having some monopoly on the truth, and monopoly on the truth as far as any real Abrahamic traditions would say would be God’s alone.”

    “If we accept or assume the possibly that He did speak, the divine spoke through these revelations of the Old Testamant, the Older Testament, the New Testament then the Quran, which each one has their claim. If we do accept that certainly God has many voices, and to claim any one voice to be the exclusive voice of God is a very dangerous thing to do.”

    “I’ve been in my share of exclusivist tradition, when I first became Muslim that was the type of Islam I was introduced to… when you begin to look at the nuances of our traditions you find is that they are deeply compatible at those most basic fundamental levels as they are teaching universal truths, and they would not resonate in the millions of hearts if that were not true.”


    I think these Soofis need to open monasteries in some remote areas and worship God side by side with monks to bring love and respect.

    With such theology they can go to hell!
     

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