Both groups need refuting, the question is who should refute who? The ʿulamā' from Pakistan should teach people the basic aqaid and refute the charlatan fake pīrs, its quite clear Chuff has a large following in Pakistan but his following is not big in the west. Not only that but they have the rafiḍi's Tafḍīlīs and even Liberelism to deal with. The ʿulamā' in the west should refute the likes of Yaʿqūbī and others for the fitna is west is much more serious, so why should ʿulamā' in the west "waste" their time over someone who has no impact in the west. @Hassan_0123 the title of the thread is quite clear, so why bring up the issue of chuff chuff.