takfir of deobandis

Discussion in 'Bickering' started by Ahmad Yaar, Oct 15, 2013.

Draft saved Draft deleted
  1. Ahmad Yaar

    Ahmad Yaar Active Member

    Thanks for the response bro I wasn't aware of the history of faqeerkhan etc
  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    abu jahl is the peer of all those disgusting and shameless scum who show jahalah-based arrogance in the face of incontestable truth and evidence

    they run cowardly when truth and evidence are presented on one fitnah they start, only to shamelessly and arrogantly come back and haunt you later with another fitnah.

    people who have an iota of decency or iman don't do that. they valiantly accept the truth if they were unaware of it before, or if they have the truth on their side, they take the bull by the horns and bring forward the truth.

    if they are truly honest and objective, they start their search for the truth neutrally and without a bias.

    (i'm almost certain that this guy is faqeerkhan, and if it is him, then from what i know of him, what i said applies to him - in my appraisal)
  3. Ahmad Yaar

    Ahmad Yaar Active Member

    Sorry that should of course be Abu Jahl
  4. Ahmad Yaar

    Ahmad Yaar Active Member

    What specifically in this thread leads you to draw an equivalence between this guy and Abu Lahab?
  5. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    did abu jahl become Muslim in the end?
  6. Ahmad Yaar

    Ahmad Yaar Active Member

    Brother Kattarsunni did brother_786 become a Sunni in the end?
  7. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    brother_786 it's been more than 5 months, can i ask you how much have you read from those books i recommended?
  8. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

  9. Brother_786

    Brother_786 Active Member

    brother kattarsunni, just a heads up...I privately messaged you.
  10. Brother_786

    Brother_786 Active Member

    jazakallahu khairan....you've shown great character masha'allah. may Allah azza wa jalla reward you for your noble intentions and your generous offer. In all honesty, i wasn't thinking of south africa, but if i ever visit then I will contact you. thank you again.
  11. Brother_786

    Brother_786 Active Member

    jazakallahu khairan. I've conversed with some of the above already in the past. I will consult some of the others you're recommended. Thank you for this list.
  12. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    I would recommend you to come to South Africa then. You can meet with and spend time with Allamah Iftikaar Ahmad Misbahi, the Shaykh ul-Hadith of Darul uloom Qadiriya Ghareeb Nawaaz, who is a student of Allamah Hafiz Abd al-Aziz Sahib alayhi rahmah. Free boarding and lodging at the Darul Uloom can be arranged for. In fact, you can be my guest here and I will pay for it on your behalf.
  13. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Mufti Shams ulHuda (Dewsbury)

    Sayyid Irfan Shah (Bradford)

    Mufti Ishfaq Rizwi (Nottingham)

    Maulana Naveed Jameel (Nottingham and Keighley)

    Maulana Zaid Rizwi (Preston)

    Maulana Muhammad Danyal (Birmingham)

    Maulana Sjaad Hussain (Birmingham)

    Maulana Qasim Rizwi (Nottingham)

    Maulana Asrar (Birmingham)

    Mufti Aslam Bandyalwi (Bradford)

    Allamah Ustaz alUlama Rasul Bakhsh Saeedi (Birmingham)

    Maulana Munawwar Ateeq (Black Country, Dudley)

    Maulana Ateeq Naqshbandi (father of Maulana Munawwar)

    Maulana Qadi Sajid Sahib (Birmingham)

    Maulana Qamar Ilyas (Birmingham)

    Maulana Ibrar Shafi (Luton)

    Maulana Qasim Attari (Luton)

    Maulana Nabeel Afzal (Coventry)

    Maulana Amar Naqshbandi (Derby)

    Maulana Athar Husayn (Leicster)

    These are some of the people you can go to for information on this subject.
  14. Brother_786

    Brother_786 Active Member

    I'm okay with traveling. I'm flexible. So don't worry about location.
  15. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    I'm sorry, but that is not a 'Barelawi' trait but a Sunni trait. By the same token you can call us 'Nabhani's' as we follow the way of Imam Yusuf Nabhani rahimahuAllah. People like Imam Sanusi placed massive importance on creed.

    That depends on where you live?
  16. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    just saw this part now. wasn't even reading this thread. only my good friend faqeerkhan can talk like that unprovoked :)

    what amuses me is how stupid people think others won't know who they are. :)
  17. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    once upon a time, i was 'just' a muslim. . . . i thought that all this infighting between the mullahs was due to their selfishness and greed, their wish to collect followers. one group says 'love the Prophet above anyone and anything less', the other 'follow only quran and hadith and don't commit shirk and bidah' while the third one says 'pray five times and go in jamats, tell other to do the same', but behind all this facade of righteousness is insincerity and the love of power, fame and wealth.

    'all mullahs are like that', as iqbal had said:

    " Deen-e-Kafir: zikr, fikr aur jihad | Deen-e-mullah: fi-sabilillah fasad "

    " mullah-e-do-naan ne mujh ko kafir jaana | kafir ye samjhta hai ke musalmaan hu mai"

    then, as luck would have it, i began to look more keenly into matters. My studies led me to being a 'wahhabi' for a while. yes, i'd stopped praying in barelvi masajid! i began to feel that albani and bin baz were THE 'upright scholars'. but this state did not last long. alHamdulillah. i was soon reconsidering my decisions. didn't get a chance to be a deobandi (thank God!) but i didn't despise them either. poor fellas, all they say is pray and fast, read fazail-e-amaal and go on chillahs yet they are called kafirs, KAFIRS? nah, barelvis are too much. i'd rather sink in the ground then be called a 'barelvi'. and oh, 'alahazrat'? why? what'd he do?

    then by Allah's grace, things changed again. now i was seriously looking at the infamous, 'qabr-puju' barelvis! at times i would pray, "O Allah! reveal to me in my dreams the state of the graves of alahazrat and albani so that i may be able to see who's on haqq" !! see the anguish?

    alhamdulillah. after 5 years of sitting at the cross-roads i finally received guidance. i took my time. but now i'm a proud 'barelvi'. i wear that label on my sleeves.

    i had a friend. we had embarked on this journey together and for a while our paths coincided. but unfortunately for him, he didn't make it through. he couldn't extricate himself once he fell into the snare of wahhabism. i tried to help, offered a helping hand, but too late. i had no choice but to move on.

    you see? i have been there. i have been (still am) a sincere seeker of truth. and truth i found. alhamdulillah.

    but all through this perilous journey i never resorted to the kind of bad-mouthing i see in the posts above. that's not the mark of a 'sincere' student. humility is of utmost importance if you really wish others to share their knowledge with you. if you begin with the presumption that 'you know' then you get entangled in arguments quite early and that's nobody's loss but yours.

    may Allah (azzawajal) guide every sincere seeker of truth.

  18. Brother_786

    Brother_786 Active Member

    Those scholars that I asked on both sides were unable to provide satisfactory answers. And no, I will never reveal their names because I don't want to disrespect them for not knowing the answers and then publicly making that known. And don't just assume that they're not qualified scholars either, they are indeed qualified, but just didn't know the answers to my questions. Like on the Barelwi side....those questions relating to the protocol for solicitation and the judgment ruled upon those that were solicited but did not sign, both of which have yet to be answered here too.

    In passing, I want to say a couple of things before I depart from this forum since I have a lot of recommended reading to do and don't know when I will return. The criticisms I levelled against Abu Hasan were necessary in my point of view. If you disagree with me, that's fine. But as far as I'm concerned, he needed to hear it. It is now up to him to decide how he will digest it. I offered him the naseeha which I felt was necessary to offer him. Surely he is not a little boy and is not so sensitive to look at it except as naseeha.

    As for your comment about me not holding this forum in high regard...then I must say that there are of course certain aspects about this forum that I hate very much so and I believe I've already addressed that here. But do not assume that I dislike everything. Much of the poetry on this forum is outstanding and is very very moving and evokes immense love for Rasoolullahi salla Allahu 'alaihi wa sallam. There is however one thing that stands out about you people...by "people" here I mean you Barelwis...and it's the one trait I admire most about you and for some of you, the only trait...and that is your importance placed on matters of 'aqaa'id. But obviously, I think I've made it clear by my posts above, that I don't necessarily agree with how some of you express it. Feel free to disagree.

    I do have one parting question for you Kattarsunni...you mentioned earlier about my need for studying aqeeda with scholars rather than posting questions on forums. With that said, if I were to ask you to recommend one scholar who you think could be my one-stop resource for studying aqeedah with from matters A-Z, who would it be? If you don't want to say it publicly then feel free to message me.
  19. Brother_786

    Brother_786 Active Member

    May Allah reward you for this resourceful post. I will go through them, and yes, you're right, it will take some time. By the way, I do have a direct question for you but I would like to ask you in private. Check your inbox shortly.
  20. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    Brother Noori, I sincerely beg Allah Ta'ala to bless you for this post and I thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Share This Page