tariq owaisi's futile attempt to derail a thread

Discussion in 'Bickering' started by abu Hasan, Jan 10, 2021.

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  1. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the solution to this is, you need to keep going back and read and read it again until you understand. understand?

    if you want i can explain the above sentence one more time, if you haven't understood.
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  2. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Asking brother Abu Hasan's help to explain a text that according to you is "ambiguous" is definitely NOT going to help you increase your tawheed, after all isn't that your primary criteria for learning based on your previously quoted post? I thought best to protect your tawheed from decreasing as according to your understanding of surah Fatiha you perhaps need to only rely on Allah's help rather than someone else's!

    Just stating the obvious solely in the interests of saving whatever tawheed you currently have left. No ill intentions....
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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    exactly. it has been explained thoroughly. you need to learn to read.

    what has logic got to do with you?
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  4. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    I've read back through the thread and can not see a justification for you to say I'm being incoherent.
    At one point I was asked about which part i did not agree with and I said the whole tract needs explanation. The reason for this were many including to encourage good in you, ie not to attack my lack of anything, just explain. Like I tried to explain earlier it's not good to attack people because of these problematic texts. You said they were not problematic so they should be easy to explain (logic withstanding)
  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the stars.
  6. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    I am very open minded or try to be but I don't know what you mean by balance it. I am trying to understand your point of view so the explanation should ideally come from you.
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    so you can balance it?
  8. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    Example:"and prevent whomever from whatever he so wishes"

    La'ana -
    does it qualify as a 'prevent whomever and from whatever' or is a proof in that equation somewhere?
  9. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    As you know I've been called a troll, idiot, dot and unintelligent, don't remember moron but it's probably in there (I'm confused on these terms because they are used daily so I don't know if they mean a lot either). No surprise if I ask for an explanation - so if I may oh brother ask how is your post relevant? I'm not saying it's not relevant I appreciate the post don't get me wrong, but what is your explanation?
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  10. YaMustafa

    YaMustafa Well-Known Member

    "... upon them is the the La'nat of Allah and the angels and all mankind."

    Likewise numerous hadith you will find the words "La'ana Rasoolullah.."
  11. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    you are feeding the troll.

    note to brothers: learn to identify and ignore.
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  12. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    I only asked what desi Sunni statements were in this regard, and I was dragged into other issues, so I don't feel I need to do anything.
  13. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    That is the most silly response one can expect, no other words to describe it.

    So does tawheed brings ones Islam 'into completion' or does it 'define' a person as a Muslim? And how was it a bit 'hidden'? Who according to you was responsible in hiding it? I am getting a massive 'I'm a Wahabi' stench coming out of you. This is their belief that for several hundred years Muslims were doing 'shirk' and then Ibn Abdul Wahabi Najdi freed his followers from it. And then Mr T Owaisi comes on this forum stating that the concept of tawheed was hidden a bit! See the similarity?

    I don't expect you to come up with any explanation as you haven't in any of your earlier posts. I will leave the more patient brothers to respond to you. But I do look forward to you enlightening everyone when you do finally decide to come up with some explanations!
  14. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    You tend to make a lot of claims. And then when pressed for more information/evidence, you divert attention elsewhere.

    If you are truly confused and sincerely seeking guidance, then STOP making your own claims if you yourself are unsure.

    If you are 100% certain, then back the claim up with actual evidence.

    If you have a question, explicitly state the question; dont just quote a whole paragrah and say "i dont understand this," "i dont like this," "this makes me uncomfortable," without stating your reason why. This is very childish. ("mommy i no wanna eat this broccoli, i no like it")

    Now the question to you is:

    Do YOU believe that the Prophet (Salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam) was granted the treasures of the Heavens and Earth?

    If you say "no," then you must explain why and then back it up with evidence.

    If you say "yes, but i dont like/am uncomfortable with the explanation given." Then you must clarify why you feel that way AND acknowledge that it COULD possibly be due to your: lack of intellect/understanding; weakness of iman; and or bad company.
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  15. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    That's not true, the emphasis on tawheed is a Sunni teaching. Its what brings a person's Islam to completion. Its been hidden abit. Most of what you see, without emphasis on tawheed is not complete Islam.
  16. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Bit late in catching up to this thread, but the above line shouts out "I'm a wahabi/devbandi"!

    Why do you think any Muslim lacks tawheed? How can a Muslim increase in tawheed (I am not talking about improving Islamic knowledge but improving the acknowledgement that Allah is "One" as if that Muslim did not acknowledge it beforehand)?

    This statement can only be made by somebody who is NOT a sunni and accuses Muslims of doing shirk!
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  17. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    What did he say? Get the explanation out and we could probe how it relates to other things
  18. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Show me any Sunni who took issue with that passage of Haytami...
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  19. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Yes. Wahabis, because they don't understand tawhid, accuse Sunnis of shirk for valid beliefs.

    'They' here being wahabis.

    For unknowing Sunnis: here, tariq devbandi is insinuating that Sunnis commit shirk and bidah.
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  20. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    Where I live and from what I see, I was the only one independent person to follow 'Sunni Islam'. There is a odd few others here and there. It's rare though.
    What you see in America namely:
    "It's a shame too because many people are turning towards wahabi masjids for their source of Islamic information. I witnessed this first hand."

    quoted from a previous post is actually true for my locality as well but we have established Sunni organisations here. The reason is they suspect or are convinced sunnis are not upon tawheed (shirk) or trying to follow Islam sincerely (bidah)

    Hence if you look in our Sunni cities/towns huge Mosques are being built, the likes of which we saw Ahlus Sunnah build a few years ago but this time its not Ahlus Sunnah that's building them. There is a shift happening because people are uncomfortable with the tawheed or right guidance of Ahlus Sunnah.
    This does not prove Ahlus Sunnah to be wrong but it does prove what I said is not totally false. Hope you understand and thank you for the straight forward reply

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