tariq owaisi's futile attempt to derail a thread

Discussion in 'Bickering' started by abu Hasan, Jan 10, 2021.

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  1. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    You know, I really hope sunnis can see the hogwash in this devbandi's posts. Look how hard these unfortunate people try to diminish the rank of RasulAllah ﷺ.

    The passage of ibn Hajar is so clear but he just couldn't swallow it.

    RasulAllah ﷺ gives to whom he wishes and withholds from whom he wishes.

    Very simple.

    We'll analyse his silly latest post later.
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  2. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    since you are a deobandi idiot, we don't expect you to understand these things anyways - your sorry skull being full of stinking spaghetti.

    for sunnis, a simple shy'er of hazrat taaj al-shariah is enough:

    kisi ko woh, hansaate hain, kisi ko woh rulaate hain,
    woh yunhi aazmate hain, woh ab to faisla kar dein

    (salla Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam)

    ... besides a gazillion other perfectly understandable reasons.
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  3. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    There is many ways to explain it, I shall focus on one at a time till you are satisfied or I am unable.
    [Taubah 9:127] And whenever a chapter is sent down, one of them looks at the other; "Is there someone watching you?" - and then they turn away; Allah has inverted their hearts because they are a people who do not understand.
    [Taubah 9:128] Indeed there has come to you a Noble Messenger from among you - your falling into hardship aggrieves him, most concerned for your well being, for the Muslims most compassionate, most merciful.

    See if you can understand the point from these two ayats. Allaah The Allmighty gives and withholds from whomever He pleases, He is the One who gives and withholds.

    In the above ayats Allaah has affirmed His withholding to the wrong doers, to atleast an extent, and affirmed the help to the believers that is Prophet Muhammad SallAllaahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallaam, the Prophet of mercy.

    Hence Muslims, those who Love Allaah and His Messenger do not attribute the denial of mercy to the Prophet SallAllaahu alaihi wa alihi wa sallam
  4. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Explain it.
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  5. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    I'm not deobandi. Just Sunni (meaning those referred to as barelvi by deobandis)
    And no that's not the correct understanding of what I said. I said two different contexts.

    I mean if you want to focus on me, my limitations or weight, no probs, but at some point do try to focus on the point and give your (sincere) thoughts
  6. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    So RasulAllah ﷺ is so merciful that he doesn't deny anything but Allah is Merciful yet He does prevent what He Wills.

    Welcome to devbandi school of logic.

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  7. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    Yes (Two different contexts)
  8. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    So Allah prevents whomever from whatever He Wills, but:
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  9. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Does Allah prevent whomever from whatever He so Wills?
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  11. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

  12. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Is Allah Merciful?
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  13. Tariq Owaisi

    Tariq Owaisi Well-Known Member

    The truth is I dont understand these quotes. They have bamboozled me. If the quotes are taken at face value as presented in their translation they are NOT representative of the aqeedah of Muslims including atleast almost all sunnis. Never heard such a thing ever before.

    I expect them to make more sense in a mature, responsible explanation of them.

    Example:"and prevent whomever from whatever he so wishes"
    As far as sunnis go we do not attribute the Prophet SallAllaahu alaihi wa sallam with saying "no". Once you are a Muslim and you love Allaah, and His Messenger the waseela of the Prophet is open to you with the mercy of not being denied mercy.

    As it stands, with the understanding we of it in the English language as presented, ibn Hajar al-haythami or not, its no masterpiece and Pir Abdul Qadir has criticised those confuse matters for listeners.

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