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  1. Abul Hasnayn

    Abul Hasnayn

    "JazakAllahuKhairan for your constructive criticism , I don't mind at all, we can only try do better.

    My aim is not publishing and everything we done and will do is available online, anyone else can take it further and publish it under their name if they wish.

    Please do share some of your translated pieces for us to appreciate ."
  2. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Active Member

    it is fine to disagree, we all have different standards. some have high standards, some have medium standards. some have low standards - it is clear what standards you have from your uploading of the attempted translation of maqal al urafa.
  3. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    matters that do NOT have greatness. I hope the confusion is over, by now.
  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the point is that the Attributes of Allah ta'ala are all Attributes of Perfection.

    any attribute that is flaw or imperfection is muHal, as is obvious.

    a further point is that such an attribute which is neither perfection nor flaw - even such a thing cannot be attributed to Allah ta'ala.

    wAllahu a'alam.
  5. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    "Moreover, even that which neither has deficiency nor splendour is ‘Muhaal’ for Allah."

    "In fact, matters that neither have any greatness nor any deficiency..."

    "He is transcendent from even such attributes which have neither perfection nor a flaw..."

    I understand the Muhaal, or deficiency, as one of the brothers mentioned....

    "For example - lies, deceit, betrayal, tyranny, ignorance and immodesty etc, flaws are all absolutely impossible for Him."

    What are the matters that have greatness, that are Muhaal?
    Could you mention them with reference?
    Like the deficiencies that are muhal?
  6. Abul Hasnayn

    Abul Hasnayn

    I disagree.

    I also wish you well with all your noble intentions of doing translation work may Allah Almighty grant you success and acceptance of your good deeds.
  7. Contemplating Sufi

    Contemplating Sufi New Member

  8. Abul Hasnayn

    Abul Hasnayn

    The people of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jama’ah have recently been manipulated by some so-called scholars that saying “Ya RasoolAllah” is not permissible, Haraam and some even, Allah forbid!, say that it’s kufr and shirk. Below are some proofs to empower our Sunni brothers and to ensure they know where they stand as a Sunni and […]
  9. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator


    the hypocrites of today call it shirk when sunnis call upon rasulAllah (sallallahu'alayhi wa sallam), seeking his aid, by saying, "ya rasulAllahi unZur Haalana" and likewise they call it shirk when we seek aid from the awliya. the word used in this ayah is also 'unZuruna'.

    the munafiqs of madina too were haughty and would turn away in arrogance when they were asked to go to the the Prophet (peace be upon him) as mentioned in surah al-munafiqun, verse no. 5.

    but on the day of judgement their self-concocted ideas about tawhid will fall apart and they will seek aid from the believers instead of Allah ta'ala. they will be humiliated from all directions and at every level.

    may Allah ta'ala not make us of them. Aameen.
  10. Abul Hasnayn

    Abul Hasnayn

    Aqib alQadri said: "For example - lies, deceit, betrayal, tyranny, ignorance and immodesty etc, flaws are all absolutely impossible for Him."

    Dear Brother , please help me understand since I fail to see how above explanation does not answer your query consider reading the "Chapter 1'Beliefs Regarding,Allah’s Divine Being,& Divine Attributes " from page 51 until page 66 of the linked pdf in my previous post.
  11. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    "Moreover, even that which neither has deficiency nor splendour is ‘Muhaal’ for Allah."
    Forgive me for my persistence, is a further explanation, possible?

    Mawlana shahib, could you clarify:

    "In fact, matters that neither have any greatness..."
  12. Abul Hasnayn

    Abul Hasnayn

    "Belief: Almighty Allah is All Splendid and Most Graceful. He is free from all that which has deficiency or defect. In other words, it is ‘Muhaal’ for there to be any deficiency or defect in Allah. Moreover, even that which neither has deficiency nor splendour is ‘Muhaal’ for Allah. Allah is free from lies, deceit, distrust, tyranny, ignorance and immodesty etc. These are all absolutely ‘Muhaal’ for Allah. To say that He has Qudrat (Power) over lying, in the sense that he can tell a lie, is to declare a Muhaal (absolutely impossible) to be Mumkin (possible) and to imply that Almighty Allah has defect. This, in reality is to reject Almighty Allah. To think that Almighty Allah’s Qudrat (Divine Power) has a weakness if He does not have Power over a Muhaal (absolutely impossible thing) is absolutely baseless. It is not a shortage or weakness in the Qudrat of Allah. In reality, it is the weakness and shortage of that Muhaal, that it is not worthy of having connection with the Divine Qudrat of Allah."

    -page 56
  13. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    that's translated from Bahaar e Shariat: His traits exclude not only the ugly but also the ones that are devoid of greatness.
  14. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    Mawlana shahib, could you clarify:

    "In fact, matters that neither have any greatness nor any deficiency..."
  15. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    thanks brother Abu Hasan; just to continue and make it clearer:-

    Bahaar e Shariat - Aqeedah 15.PNG

    The above is from Bahaar e Shariat - Volume 1 on Beliefs:

    He is Pure / Free from anything that has a defect or deficiency. In other words, it is impossible for any defect or deficiency to exist in Allah. In fact, matters that neither have any greatness nor any deficiency are also impossible for Him: For example - lies, deceit, betrayal, tyranny, ignorance and immodesty etc, flaws are all absolutely impossible for Him.
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  16. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    qurtubi in his tafsir, 7/191 [nisa, v142]

    "verily the hypocrites seeks to deceive Allah, and He will let them go to their own ruin"

    the meaning of 'khad'a' has been explained earlier in surah baqarah; [s2, v9].

    khad' when mentioned about Allah ta'ala means His punishment upon them [those who] deceive His Friends [awliya] and His Messengers [rusul].

    Hasan said: every person among believers and hypocrites will be given a light on the day of Judgement; the hypocrite will run away with it and they think, that they have attained salvation. but as they come to the Bridge [Sirat] the light carried by hypocrites will be extinguished. it is therefore their saying: "wait for us, [look at us] and let us benefit from your light". [hadid, v13].

    tfsrqrtby, 7-191.jpg

    wAllahu a'alam.
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  17. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    my master alahazrat, the accomplished translator said in his great work, kanz al-iman.

    kanz, 3-142.jpg

    verily, hypocrites [in their delusion] seek to deceive Allah; and He will leave them to be neglectful and thus cause their ruin.

    there is no other translation that covers points of fiqh, mindful minute issues of aqidah (of which imam ahmad riDa was an imam) and still, the urdu remains as sweet as ever. such a beautiful idiom (apologies for those who don't have native skill in urdu; it cannot be translated).

    aur wahi un'heN ghaafil karke maarega.

    anybody, who reads alahazrat's kanz will never commit the mistake of literalist/anthropomorphist interpretation; nor will he be puzzled as to what it means. you stick to kanz al-iman, you don't need to worry what the ta'wil is.

    ta'wil comes built-in - perhaps as a tribute to imam abu manSur who named his tafsir: 'ta'wilat ahl al-sunnah'.

    wAllahu a'alam.
  18. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    imam bayhaqi in his al-asma'a wa'l sifat, vol.2 / 440-441 [hashidi ed; if you are using another such as kawthari's, [p.450 az'har edition] look in the far end of the book soon after "istihzaa"]

    abu'l Hasan ibn mahdi said: "khida'a" when said about Allah ta'ala means that Allah ta'ala will let them have in this world, wealth and luxury and things that they hoard; and delay from them, His punishment and severe reprimand.

    so the hypocrites show outwardly that they believe in His Messenger, and conceal the opposite of what the display [meaning hatred, opposition to the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam etc.]; so Allah ta'ala by giving worldly comfort, luxury and success allows them to be deluded and ignore/denial of the punishment in the hereafter which is hidden from them. thus is their action and their recompense are similar.

    abu'l Hasan said about "khida'a" - in the idiom of arabs [kalam al-arab] means to cause destruction. [spoil, deteriorate etc. 'fasad'].

    ibn al-anbari from abu'l abbas al-naHwi [the grammarian] from ibn al-a'arabi: in the idiom of arabs, khaadiy means things that are spoiled, ruined such as food etc.

    [an arabic line which uses the word "khadiy"; not mentioned or translated here]

    meaning spoiled, ruined.

    thus the explanation of the verse: "they seek to deceive Allah and He lets them to be ruined". [surah nisa'a, v142]

    that is, the [hypocrites] ruin [their faith] by displaying faith outwardly and concealing disbelief inside;
    and Allah lets them to go into ruin, by giving them worldly blessings [ni'yam] and thus [deluded and forgetful] they take the path to punishment in the hereafter.

    [then there is about makr, which atabek the donkey didn't understand and wailed like a drama queen, insulting muhaddithin and fuqaha. we will treat this part, in sha'Allah, when the donkey is flogged.]

    bayhaqi,asma 2-440.jpg

    further he says:

    bayhaqi,asma 2-441.jpg
  19. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    O meray bhai, (without sarcasm, and one up-manship), a request.

    The original request corrected.
    Mawlana shahib, could you explain/correct what has been attributed to Imam alQurtabi, Rahmat Allahi Ta'ala 'alayh, we know he was Ash'ari, and, could you please give references?
    The correct translation, and understanding.

    I will not be an ihsan framosh. Insha Allah Azza wa Jall.

    Why should it be strange?
    in general the claimant must clarify...
    the general rule.
    Pointless to continue discussion, other then, correcting. Here it is important, for amr bil maruf wa an Nahian munkar.
    thereafter, somebody can tell A. Bewley.
    Meanwhile, there lots of us, who'd have purchased the tafsir tarjama, maybe misunderstanding an aqida issue.

    So please clarify?
  20. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    is that a request or is it a challenge? i won't bother if it is the latter.

    it is 'strange' because you said talking about the translation was being pedantic. the problem is BECAUSE of the translation; and you want us to prove why imam qurtubi said it, in spite of being an ash'ari.

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