usaid ul haq strange position on alahazrat

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  1. ghulam-e-raza

    ghulam-e-raza Well-Known Member

    Even if one regards Mawlana Ilyas as a non scholar, do DI not have scholars in their ranks? Don't they have a Dar ul Ifta? As a large organisation with a big following an open refutation of for example TuQ especially after his Wembley antics would go a long way, it is much needed and many agree. It isn't enough just to say "we love the Ulama, follow the Ulama" - that leaves it to interpretation, you have some people saying it's fardh to attend his conferences and then others saying he is outside the folds of Islam, who are the laymen expected to follow?
  2. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    DI do not have to refute deviant sects if the Ulama are already doing. The obligation is lifted from the laymen of Dawat e Islami. Besides the opponents of DI do not consider Maulana Ilya Qadri a scholar. A non scholar is not qualified to refute.
  3. ghulam-e-raza

    ghulam-e-raza Well-Known Member

    That's completely different? Where is the open refutation of the misguided sects, or the refutation of TuQ or the refutation of Suleh Kulliyat? These are amongst the biggest innovations of today. This is not to discredit DI from some of the good work they do, no one denies that. And before anyone attacks me, this objection isn't from nobody "Ridawis" like me, it's from the likes of Taajush Shari'ah and Muhaddith e Kabeer amongst other big Ulama, may Allah preserve them all, who we all agree are great giants of Islam in this current era.

    If anything, I thought "Ridawis" were known to refute people who go against Maslak e Ala Hazrat, this new objection of NOT refuting got to say it's the first time I've come across that one.
  4. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Sidi Kattar people like Yaar Saab need to refute Tahir after saying it was Farz to go to his conference.

    Wallys like niaz, fiaz probably went to his conference after listening to him.

    Yaar Sahib should issue a statement now he is Ameer of Birmingham Jammat knowing people like Gul Rehman, Abdul Rasul Mansur, Rabbani Afghani, Bostan Qadri support the padri
  5. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    And that's exactly what I am saying. One of the criticisms that some 'Rizawis' have mentioned regarding DI is that they do not refute deviants. It is not essential on everyone to refute everyone. That is exactly the point.
  6. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Qasim Sahib is also fariq from Behra Sharif and 'Ameen ul Hasanat' did the dastarbandi.
  7. ghulam-e-raza

    ghulam-e-raza Well-Known Member

    Allah knows best about Mawlana Hamdani saheb, but as someone who considers myself to be a Ridawi, I would make du'a for them as they are Sunni.

    Do you expect Ulama to refute every single innovation? Mufti Zahid has openly refuted TuQ and Menk who are big innovations too and who other English speaking scholars are being silent on. As well as that he was one of the few big English speaking Ulama who recently attended the meeting against Sulh Kulliyat whereas many others simply refused to do so.

    And to give an example of your double standards, Shaykh Asraar's teacher said it is Fardh to even attend the TuQ event - where is the open refutation of that? (Note: I very much respect Shaykh Asraar saheb and do not have something against him, just giving an example for KS here)
  8. Dear Brother Kattar Sunni

    Hazrat Mawlana Ilyaas Qadri Sahib and Hazrat Shaykh ul Islam Sayyid Muhammad Madni Miyaan are both Sahih ul 'aqeedah Sunni Muslims. They are not Sulah Kulli or supporters of Minhaaj ul Qur'an they oppose both groups al hamdulillah.

    What is happening at the moment is many people are becoming political and are trying to reconcile and unite with all the sects that is what is wrong. In doing so they are going against their own elders due to whom they received their respect and honour.

    Mawlana Khushtar Noorani Sahibs views are not hidden from anyone they are published in Jaam e Noor his risaalah. He is the grandson of 'Allamah Arshad ul Qadri rahimahullahu Ta'ala may Allah Ta'ala grant him the tawfeeq to follow in his way. 'Allamah Arshad ul Qadri rahimahullahu Ta'ala was a great visionary and guide for Islam and the Ahl us Sunnah.

    I was astounded and shocked at the lecture by 'Allamah Hamdani Sahib that is certainly not the way to address the issues or the personalities involved. Dawate Islami is certainly not ghumraah that is not the view of 'Allamah Mufti Akhtar Raza he has clarified this on a few occasions.

    May Allah Ta'ala unite the Ahl us Sunnah aameen.
  9. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Answer to Question 1:

    I mean by 'Ridawis' people like the guy in the recording

    Answer to Question 2:

    People like Qasim, who to this day hasn't refuted Tafzilis. He has studied under Zahid Sahib (PAQS right hand) and yet to this day has not refuted him.

    Or Zahid from Preston, who refuted Dawat e Islami and Hashmi Mia, but yet hasn't refuted PirZada and Jamia alKaram on Christmas and other issues.
  10. ghulam-e-raza

    ghulam-e-raza Well-Known Member

    Firstly, who do you mean by Ridawis?

    Secondly, who are you talking about that doesn't refute those who have clear innovation?
  11. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    I wander if these so called 'Ridawis' will pray for the like of Maulana Ilyas Qadri when he dies?? Or when Madani Miah passes away?

    You can't even refute those who have clear innovation and yet you chase down Sunnis based on vague disputes on issues of furu'. And even when they leave the way of Ahl alSunna what wisdom is employed in guiding those individuals?
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  12. Janaab Aqdas Sahib unfortunately for him he was part and parcel of the whole affair. Just look at what they have been doing and which books and booklets they have been promoting.

    The proof was on the cover of the risaalah that I posted:

    It reads "Professor Dr Muhammad Tahir ul Qadri sarbaraa tehreek Minhaaj ul Qur'an se khususi guftagu".

    He was on the board.

    They have clearly left the way of Mujaahid ul Millah Raees ul Qalam 'Allamah Arshad ul Qadri rahimahullahu Ta'ala even though they are from his progeny.

    May Allah protect Islam and the Ahl us Sunnah aameen.

    If you read the texts that I referred to in my first post in this thread, you will come to learn a lot more about this new heterodox wayward mission that is spreading like wild fire.
  13. Janaab Muhtaram Noori Sahib they were refuting Dr Tahir ul Qadri last year and now the tables are turned...

    The tides are chaging in Hind sahih ul 'aqeedah and sahih ul 'amal 'Ulamaa are becoming sulh kulli or maail e sulh e kulliyat unfortunately.

    Dil ke phaphoolay jal uthe seene ke daagh say,
    Is ghar ko aag lag gaie ghar k chiraagh say.
  14. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

  15. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Btw, jaam e noor was not run by Mawlana usaid. Yes, he may have been close to the editor, khushtar Noorani, but I don't think it's fair to blame Mawlana usaid. Unless he was on the board too?

    As for jaam e noor supporting tahir jhangvi, please show proof so that sunnis can be warned.
  16. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    it is really sad that jaam-e-noor is promoting padri.
  17. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    even the honourable Mufti Muhammad Ahmed Misbahi (hafidhahullah), the quite and (as some would prefer to term him) level-headed principal of Jaamiah Ashrafiyah has never supported that abhorrent risalah.

    he has much to say about it but, like mawlana Qasim, prefers to focus his attention on things over which he has a modicum of control.

    The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, is reported to have said:
    "I foresee a time when trials (fitan) shall pour down in your dwellings even as rain falls."

    Allah be our refuge.
  18. Jaam e 'Noor' Dr Tahir ul Qadri Minhaj ul Quran Dec-13 Issue

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  19. I know that he is no longer around but just for the record as this will go down in history. He had a strange (I'm being very vague) position when it came to Sayyiduna Mujaddid Imam Ahmad Raza radi Allahu Ta'ala 'anhu just read Khairabaadiyaat.

    He was also involved in Jaame 'noor' naam nihaad Islamic risaalah that disregarded and disregards some Akaabir those that read it know what I'm referring too Just read his Tazkirah Mashaaikh book. Jaam e 'Noor' (actually benoor) also recently praised Dr Tahir ul Qadri Minhaaj ul Qur'an so that shows what he was. Jamia al Azhar days, there is alot more but there is no point in saying anything else raaz raaz hi rahein to ansab hain pehle bhi fitnoun k kami nahin...

    I will not be saying anything else

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