on the main thread i said in post #395 (and before that in #360) ----- indeed, for all of us to properly understand the issue, i said in post #360 what about praising contemporary hindu idols in front of those who worship them - like the dead and rotten mukhannath "sathya sai baba"? let us try to see this in the case of this sai baba guy --- some hindus worship this sai baba guy who died in the recent past. so if obaidullah were to address a gathering of those hindus and say sai baba (according to his bhakts) stood for honesty , compassion to poor, blah blah blah, would it still be ruled kufr by those who rule it kufr for obaidullah to praise ram for his universal good qualities listed out in hindu books? if yes, they're being consistent in their approach regardless of right or wrong in the answer. if no, then they're being inconsistent and need to state what makes ram different from sathya sai baba. heck replace ram with rajnikant, a film actor whom some hindus in the south have made a temple for and placed his idol in it (afaik). so if obaidullah addressed those particular bhakts of rajnikant and said he's a great actor, he does great fight sequences, he's honest, gives charity blah blah blah, would it be ruled kufr or not???? ----- i had the question (phrased differently) asked to the same Arab Jilani shaykh, and his reply was: any word that is meant to encourage kufr or praise kufr or make a kafir think that we approve his kufr or respect his religion: is indeed kufr. ----- so if someone were to go to the temple in chennai where imbeciles worship rajnikant and praised his acting only to appease them and their deen, this is also kufr ----- just updating the thread because i believe i said so in the past that i will query this question as well. (this was my position before too, but i asked the shaykh to be sure) not interested in entertaining any personal jabs (all are welcome to it, though), or allegations of alignment to this or that camp, or dwelling over the politics between the two camps.