Asad Ali is a Perennialist Sympathiser

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  1. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    of course…
    Ppl, especially girls, need to be warned with regards to seeking to entice this shady imam with the prospect of an affair since he’s the type who may actually succumb to his lower desires…because, what if he’s married and you don’t know…?
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  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    who is defending it?

    'defending' zayd is a broad term. defending him against a public trial by onlookers or defending him as an innocent lamb are two vastly different things.

    in the course of your vociferous condemnation, you don't seem to differentiate between an individual's indiscretion and the group as a whole. here, the 'other' is supposedly an 'imam' 'scholar' (which we have not acknowledged from ages) - so you have concluded that other 'imams' and 'scholars' might be doing the same.

    how different would it be if a non-muslim watching this episode says: 'all muslims might be doing the same'. 'all pakistani immigrants might be doing the same' ?

    in other words, you are convinced that everyone else is doing this - with the possibility of your being wrong.

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  3. Sunni By Nature

    Sunni By Nature Active Member

    After reading all of this I was reminded of the reports about Qari Fatih Seferagic and how Muslims seem to have ignored the incidents. Despite these cases, he still continues to recite at events both in the US and abroad and hasn't really acknowledged any wrongdoing. If you're interested, you can read more about the incidents through this link:

    This is precisely why Western Muslims should avoid over hyping certain individuals such as scholars, imams, Quran reciters, students of knowledge, nasheed artists, Naat khawans, social media influencers, Public speakers, Dawah people, community leaders, and Social Media Administrators.
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  4. Uthman

    Uthman Active Member

    unfair. If you read my posts properly you’ll see I never condoned her behaviour and said she was wrong. I merely recounted what she posted on her ig.
  5. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    I’m not his spokesperson. Nor was I ever fond of him. I have already openly criticized him in this group and elsewhere for far more serious issues even prior to this scandal.

    In this specific scenario, I am just trying to be fair and balanced with regards to this matter since you are clearly bent on unjustly, and overly criminalizing Zaid while representing the girl as the victim which she clearly is not.

    you on the other hand come across as the prosecutor representing her as the victim in this case, which is clearly unnecessary
  6. Uthman

    Uthman Active Member

    I’m starting to think that a lot of people who defend Zayd are probably doing the same thing themselves. Might be wrong.

    Because how is something like this defendable? It’s not.
  7. Uthman

    Uthman Active Member

    Maybe yes. Maybe no. Not the girl’s spokesperson.

    Can you clarify your stance on Zayd?
  8. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    So if she didn’t find out he was married, she wouldn’t have cared for a statement release?
  9. Uthman

    Uthman Active Member

    Privately as in she did not want to release all those dirty messages.

    can you clarify your stance on Zayd?
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  10. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    She wanted to privately resolve the matter with a public statement?
    Doesn’t make sense
  11. HASSAN

    HASSAN Active Member

    Genuinely confused as to where people are getting this notion from that she messaged him for marriage purposes or to propose to him
  12. Uthman

    Uthman Active Member

    this is ridiculous and makes no sense. He responded when he clearly could have ignored.

    I don’t see how jealousy is being thrown in here. She wanted to warn others and went to Shaikh Asrar privately.

    you are ready to give Zayd the benefit of the doubt and make plenty of excuses for him but make none for the girl. Can you please clarify your stance on Zayd since it is unclear to me as you’re acting like his personal lawyer.
  13. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    go reread the previous posts in this thread written by me. It’s pretty clear.
  14. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    there it is.
    You said it yourself.

    she got triggered by him being married
    Clearly a case of jealousy and anger

    not a case of “imam is doing wrong. I want to protect other girls.” Why?
    because he wasn’t the one preying going around preying on young women. Rather, she is the one that approached him. If it was a case of him preying on her and other girls. Then that’s a different story altogether.
  15. Uthman

    Uthman Active Member

    she can be criticised for committing the sin and participating but not for coming forward to Shaikh Asrar. People need to be warned against said Imam’s shady behaviour. I disagree that it should have been kept private.. so it’s kept private then another girl falls victim to a married man pretending to be single online??

    Sure none of the messages needed to go public but a statement should have been released to ask Zayd to step down.

    What is your position on Zayd? can you clarify.
  16. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    Is a strong word

    She’s being criticized just as he is being criticized.
    because she is not innocent in all this.
    And when they are both guilty in this regard, shamelessly exposing ones own and another person’s sin publicly is worthy of criticism.

    it would’ve been better if they kept it to themselves
  17. Uthman

    Uthman Active Member

    again, I am not the girl’s spokesperson or lawyer. This is what I have read on her ig posts.

    - how exactly?
    With a statement and I am not entirely sure. Shaikh Asrar is better able to answer this

    - she wanted a statement released when he was no longer entertaining her. But before that, it didn’t matter. Smh.

    No. She wanted a statement released when she found out he was married.

    Can you clarify your position on Zayd?
  18. Uthman

    Uthman Active Member

    1. I’m not the girl’s spokesperson.
    2. I can understand why she went to Shaykh Asrar privately if she felt she was duped.
    3. I don’t think we should disregard the fact that Zayd could have also entertained other girls whilst being married and this is cause for concern. He might. He might not. We don’t know.
    4. It’s very myopic to say that the sole reason the girl came forward and put her honour at stake was to tarnish his reputation. It might have been part of it, but it’s 100% not the sole reason. I don’t understand why she is being demonised for coming forward.
    5. If it was a secret marriage, Zayd should clear his name and say he did nothing haram. (This is wild considering he just got married and it’s not even been a year.)
  19. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    1. she still wanted it to be resolved privately

    -how exactly?
    By marrying him?
    getting money?

    2. Went public when no statement was released?
    - she wanted a statement released when he was no longer entertaining her. But before that, it didn’t matter. Smh.

    3. In my eyes, she was duped.
    -technically he was also duped by shayton and his nafs
    And so what’s your point?

    4. yes, she is equally guilty.
    But she would rather make public hers and another person’s sin
  20. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    Just to get a few things straight:

    1. so she privately approached him for marriage without any mahram/wali (first mistake)

    2. they spoke, and “things happened”
    -did they perhaps secretly get married and then things happened?
    And the resulting messages are related to that?
    -or did they engage in inappropriate behavior without being married?

    3. He stopped talking to her suddenly
    -perhaps he realized he shouldn’t have gone down this route and ended the relationship since he felt that it was wrong
    -yet maybe she wanted to continue the illicit relationship therefore got angry when he ended it?

    4. she found out he was already married.

    if he had already ended the relationship to begin with, then what was the reason for her to escalate the matter afterwards?

    “Protect other naive and dumb women who decide to privately approach young imams for marriage and engage in illicit relationships, lest they may also later find out they’re cheating with a married man?”

    I doubt it
    It’s not about other girls. If it was, she would’ve realized she had an illicit relationship with another woman’s husband and would’ve kept quiet to preserve a marriage and family. As well as her own honor.

    clearly her reason for publicizing the relationship was to tarnish a reputation since she herself felt cheated. Not to “protect other girls”
    she’s no victim in this regard

    After all she approached him and committed herself to that illicit relationship.
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