Covid vaccine

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Khanah, Feb 13, 2021.

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  1. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

     
  3. Alf

    Alf Active Member

  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  5. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Well-Known Member

  6. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Well-Known Member


    I don’t have fb either. I’m assuming, when using a computer, the link won’t be viewable unless logged in.

    For me, the link opens on my iPhone safari browser even if not logged in. Perhaps you can try this option?
     
  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Can we see it elsewhere without logging in to fb, for the fb-challenged?
     
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  9. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Well-Known Member

  10. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/bill-gates-omicron

    Bill gates' incessant meddling in matters of public health and talking as if he owns the WHO (specifically, pandemic related) certainly doesn't help subvert the accusations of the conspiracy theorists.

    You don't have to subscribe to the conspiracy theories, or the mainstream narrative. The truth might as be stranger and different than the both of them!
     
  11. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    Very interesting video. It looks like it is a public forum for people to express their concerns before a final decision is made by the FDA. It doesn’t mean that all of these concerns can necessarily be generalised to the population as a whole.

    Example: a study might show that a vaccine has a high mortality rate (which scientists could point out to the FDA) but on further inspection, there could have been other confounding variables that skewed the results, therefore reducing its validity and making it not applicable to the general population.
     
  12. IslamIsTheTruth

    IslamIsTheTruth Well-Known Member

    My only argument was that the testing phase was expedited.
    We don't know what the long term side effects could be. Not enough data or trails to rely on.
    We have already seen many cases of blood clots being reported and there have also been concerns regarding myocarditis in vaccinated people.
     
  13. Ashrafi1

    Ashrafi1 New Member

    ~ 4:30:00: Assoc. Prof in Pharmacy from the University of Maryland and editor at the BMJ:
    • Pfizer prior trials did not have randomized controls.
    • Pfizer's (then) upcoming booster trials are problematic b/c they use healthy adults who volunteer and the n value (how many participants are in the study) is too low, and doesn't adequately address how the booster would deal with those who had adverse reactions.
    • The trial for the booster is unlikely to detect adverse reactions.
    • Concerns about revocation of medical licenses due to spreading 'medical misinformation' (thus, there would appear to be a concern about a filtering out of vaccine-critical voices in the medical field and that the aforementioned 'majority' is a conveniently selected one).
    ~ 4:33:40: Doc. who's director Health Research Group
    • Lack of data of effectiveness on boosters in preventing COVID-related outcomes in those 16+.
    • He's pro-vax but is skeptical about the need for boosters.
     
  14. Ashrafi1

    Ashrafi1 New Member

    This is pretty surprising that this is coming from the FDA's discussions itself: 4:20:00 onwards
     
  15. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    You don’t post a fact for no reason. You post a fact to support an argument. What is your argument then?
     
  16. IslamIsTheTruth

    IslamIsTheTruth Well-Known Member

    Bro, you're fighting an imaginary war. I've not stopped anyone from taking the vaccines.
    Read my messages again.
    Everyone is free to do what they please. I just stated some facts, thats all.
    Stating facts regarding survival rates means I have no sympathy and I don't care? How did you extrapolate that?
    No need to play the emotional card.
    The survival rates are actually higher than 90%.
    Wassalaam.
     
  17. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    This is my last response to you. the majority of medically trained people and scientists are telling you to take the vaccine and you’re relying on a few people who are sceptical. That is the definition of an outlier opinion.

    If you agree that the harms do not outweigh the benefit then we can conclude that there is no problem in taking the vaccine.

    You’re saying that you don’t care if approximately 10% of the population dies when they could have taken a vaccine that would have reduced that number by a lot. You’ve got no sympathy towards people.

    Also no sympathy towards people who have had Covid and ended up in critical care, suffering. Or the lives that have been lost, and these people’s families.

    Salaam.
     
  18. IslamIsTheTruth

    IslamIsTheTruth Well-Known Member

    I've not expressed any 'outlier opinions'.
    Neither did I make any claims regarding its harms outweighing its benefits, so I don't need to bring any proof.
    Covid survival rates are over 90% (im pretty sure you can verify this).
    Also, the UK Gov (PHE) declared Covid as a non HCID.
     
  19. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

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  20. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    interesting that the website says it’s a group of physicians family doctors, over 100 nurses bla-bla-bla who have signed it but there are no names mentioned as to who these brilliant minds are, as they want to "remain anonymous" since the "Medical and Nursing Licensing Bodies and Health Authorities have been persecuting physicians and nurses for speaking the truth." (wow, this is a serious accusation! I did not know Canada was a dictatorship!).

    If these so called professionals are that concerned about speaking the "truth", then they should put their names on the website as to who they are for what they are saying to gain any credibility, otherwise they are just hypocrites claiming to be concerned but not taking any responsibility for it. Even I can create a website and post a whole load of well designed information on it that nobody can trace back to me and say it’s from a group of top world leading scientist, physicians etc.

    They also only name 5 academics who have endorsed their "facts" in the whole pool of academics in the world. Um…

    It is interesting that they also have a cop-out in the form of a disclaimer:

    "Do not make any decisions based on the information contained or presented on this website without consulting an appropriate professional."
    "Canadian Covid Care Alliance (CCCA) is not responsible for any errors or omissions, or for the results obtained from the use of this information. All information in this site is provided “as is,” with no guarantee of completeness, accuracy, timeliness or of the results obtained from the use of this information, and without warranty of any kind, express or implied, as to the fitness for any particular purpose."


    Also their "facts" section about why your child should not get vaccinated is full of logical fallacies:

    "Your child is 10 times more likely to die of a motor vehicle accident than COVID-19; and 2-3 times more likely to die from drowning than from COVID-19" - so?? Doesn't mean that the covid vaccine should not be administered or that it is not effective. Also, how are they comparing the two? Which data are they using to make that comparison? Unclear from the website.

    "Fully vaccinated children can transmit COVID-19 and infect others as well as unvaccinated children" - the point of having the vaccine is that your symptoms are mild (if any) should you get infected with Covid and that you don't end up overwhelming the health care system.

    What kind of silly conclusion is that? You've also still not explained why you are following outlier opinions when it comes to the vaccine. And what is your proof that it brings more harm than benefits on a micro and macro level? Please don’t give me silly reasons like big pharma is making loads of money.
     

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