See post #4 of this thread just after chisti-raza's post where you assume that since the DI fatwa simply refers back to someone else's fatwa of gumrahi so that's also the mawlana ilyas EVEN AFTER WEMBLEY etc. I said you 'alluded' to this by using the words 'since your shaykh says xyz etc.' The point is that either di people know of webley and are silent out for fear of political repercussions or they don'nt know any of this so are sticking to the old fatwa. Whatever you meant to say it sounded like Di/mawlana ilyas know everything and are under no pressure from anyone and after thorough tahqiq have come to the conclusion that tahir's kufr is not iltezami and so the attaris should disregard the fatwa of other muhaqqiqeen and follow the one by 'their shaykh'. If this were true, and I hope it is not, then it will raise serious concerns about DI leadership. see the above. I hope you did not but that was the import of your words. Even if you didn't mean that it certainly appeared so because you did not add any clauses that in light of the other developments the questioner should seek a fresh fatwa instead of blindly following the older one. Your insistance on asking him to stick to the old one meant that you agree it is applicable even after the kufriyat. This question is specifically for brother unbeknown, "if you own personal thought is that anyone who does not make takfir on Dr Padri is spineless (in your opinion), what you going to say about Mufti Azam Pakistan Mufti Ashraful Qadiri sahib, that he is spineless?" I asked you to consider the asterisk. what i have said is: mufti siyalvi has done takfir but that does NOT mean that others are spineless! Read again.