Irfan Shah Mash'hadi in the Tafzili/Rafizi camp

Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by Sunni Jaag, Mar 6, 2021.

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  1. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Is it part of Sunni Aqeeda that Bibi Fatima (ra) is the most 'muqaddas' after the Prophet (saws)? Has Ala Hazrat ever remotely mentioned something similar (pls note we are not talking about juzwi fazeelat).

    Let me slightly amend the statement for argument purpose and state "Bibi Fatima (ra) is more muqaddas than all the Prophets but our Nabi; however still the other Prophets are more afzal than her". Won't this be kufr?

    It is tafzilis who often love playing with such words. I haven't seen the video of the other 'mufti' and am not interested to do so, but whenever I hear such 'words' being played with it is an instant warning to me about that individual!

    The ones more 'afzal' are the ones more 'muqaddas' to Allah!
     
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  2. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran



    This has been discussed in the previous thread but only in relation to Mufti's sahib praise of Dr Tahir's position. Mufti Sahib mentions something similar to Shah Sahib but clarifies too.
     
  3. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @shahnawazgm I remember listening to a clip which is on the khata thread from Mufti Tahir Tabassum Rizvi in which he raises objections to Jalali Sahib's statement. He mentions something similar by saying 'muqaddas', it's not talking about afdhaliyat but rather that Syeda Fatima is the most praised after the Holy prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) or words to that effect.
     
  4. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Has he said a single word against shias in last 8 months? Irfan Shah has gone to dogs. If he doesn't see sense, he will end up being raised with swines.
     
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  5. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    I stated that day that I had just watched bits here and there from his Karachi conference. I therefore missed this bit of open rafziyat from the mouth of Iran Shah Rafizi. Watch this video from 2 min onwards (just around 2 min worth of speech) where the Rafizi states that after Rasoolullah (saws) the most muqaddas hasti is Hazrat Fatima (ra) and those who do not understand this fact are the londas of Shaytan! (I think by now his gaalis are being directed to the entire sunni masses).

    P. S. His above statement pleased the rafizis in the audience so much that he got immediate payment for his efforts as can be seen in the video!

     
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  6. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran


    It's comprehensive in scope too! This nazm refutes all deviants from kharijis, nasibis, rafidis to sullah kullis and also lays down conduct template/rules for sufi saaliks.
     
  7. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    a fine example of sahl mumtaniy

    naam hi naam hai jo kuch hai haqiqat ke siwa
    rasta koyee nahin unki shariat ke siwa

    fazl e a'amal pe hai fazl e nasab bhi mawquf
    bu lahab ke bhi laga haath na tabbat ke siwa

    martaba hazrat e siddiq ka ye hai sayyid
    har fazilat ke woh jaamiy hain nubuwwat ke siwa
     
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  9. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Our syeds and Pir Sahiban will do well to reflect on this kalaam by Muhadith e Azam India.

     
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  10. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Remember, Islam does not need Irfan Shah. It is actually he that needs to adhere to Islam!

    Some people I don't know whether to call them naive or something else, but they think that the ulema should go and "pyar se Shah ji ko samjhao aur sunniyat ki taraf Lauta do"! This is absurd. Remember you cannot add water to a glass that is already full, so how can Irfan Shah accept advice from any alim when his ego is full of himself right up to the top!

    True Sunnis can see the nahusat on his face now. Unfortunately I had to state the obvious.
     
  11. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

    Yes BETRAYED the Sunni public all in the name of Money. I couldn't care less what he does now. The key question is what will his clarification prove? He certainly can't be trusted.
     
  12. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    I suppose that's fair enough. I do think they should be forced to clarify because it feels like they have duped the sunni public by sitting and engaging with individuals that they built their tahreek against.
     
  13. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    There is no need to force Irfan Shah's hand as there is no compulsion in religion. Irfan has chosen his path and not a single alim is responsible to 'force' him to follow the correct path.

    Also if someone has gone astray the shariat does not require the stray person to have a 'face to face' clarification of his/her actions. Garift phir bhi hogi gumrah ki..... Why do you believe that Irfan should be clarifying his stance? Does he care about anyone other than his own ego?
     
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  14. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Yes but it's still the usual suspects speaking out. It needs a wider range of ulema to speak up on this charade and force Shah Sahib's hand. They need to be clarifying their current stances face to face with either their opponents or senior ulema. Can't let this drag on.
     
  15. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    More on Iran Shah's Karachi conference....

    At around 13 min Mufti Sahib further exposes Iran Shah where he states that the madrasa he built with funds gathered based on haq char yaar foundation is solely used as a premises for Iran Shah with not a single student studying there!

    I am unable to verify the same myself but if this is true then Iran Shah was after money all along (another Pound Peer) !

     
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  16. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

    we gone way past that stage

     
  17. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

  18. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    It does not look good what Shah Sahib are doing at the moment but still would like to see them accept the invitation to attend that meeting. As Shah Sahib says it is a different ball game when you are face to face with your opponent. The disappointing thing was a lot of our ulema ostracized Jalali Sahib in haste but are remaining silent over Shah sahib.

    Sh Nabeel may wait to reconsider his stance on Shah sahib too because until this issue Sh Nabeel has been uncompromising in terms of propagating the correct aqida.

    I was disappointed by the stance of Pir syed Naveed ul Hassan who has also now cut off Jalali sahib.
     
  19. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    It does not look good what Shah Sahib are doing at the moment but still would like to see them accept the invitation to attend that meeting. As Shah Sahib says it is a different ball game when you are face to face with your opponent. The disappointing thing was a lot of our ulema ostracized Jalali Sahib in haste but are giving the likes pf
     
  20. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member



    Further condemnation. Again concurring with brother shahnawazgm.
     
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