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Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by Sunni Jaag, Mar 6, 2021.
Iran Shah promoting Rafziyat.
Iran Shah now a sidekick of PAQ. That's the humiliation one has to suffer after association with rafizis, and much more humiliation to follow. Look how he is sidelined and awaiting the arrival of PAQ in all pomp and show whilst Iran Shah looks more like a butler awaiting the arrival of his master!
It seems like Pir Abdul Qadir Shah and his mureeds have not read the script and put Nabeel and co into a spin. If Nabeel has got anything about him, he should distance himself away from Shah Sahib or apologise for being a 'Nasabi' for the last decade or so. The sunni public deserve an answer why they have been used like this.
So is Nabeel now saying that Iran Shah hasn't changed his stance and that he is still on his old beliefs? The Jalali camp have responded to Nabeel's recent speech!
In sha Allah it will help to draw a line under this matter.
After discussing with Mawlana Shahid sahib about the issuing of a fatwa, I have been informed it will happen Allah willing.
Whoever is going to issue a Fatwa against him needs to just get on with it, the rest who are mentioned can sign it and fulfill the obligation upon them of calling towards good and forbidding from wrong. This is the easiest option for them, ideally everyone should be openly warning against him but obviously we understand some work in their own way so what I have mentioned above is the bare minimum we the Sunni public expect from them.. there can be no copping out on this in my view. I'm hopeful Mufti Aslam Bandyalvi sahib will take the lead on this and I will be discussing this matter with Mawlana Shahid sahib to see if we can get this ball rolling sharpish Allah willing.
You've missed the point, not every scholar needs to speak out on these issues. The issues are now clearly in the public domain and if the people are not sure, they can ask the scholars. It would be an issue if no scholar tackled it but it has been dealt with.
This is incorrect. It is the duty of the ulema to speak up, else they will be held accountable in the court of Allah. Irfan Shah and his fellow rafizi brethren can still deceive unknowing less learned Muslims.
Using the above logic may I ask of what use was it that Ala Hazrat and the ulema of his time exposed the heresies of the deobandi elders by name? At that time the Muslims were much more well versed in deeni matters than in our times, yet the ulema did not hesitate to call out these individuals and their heresies. As a matter of fact by doing so they safeguarded the iman of not only the people of their time but also their upcoming generations and continue to do so even today.
Firstly, there is yet to be a fatwa and secondly, he will need to be asked to sign it.
Fine then, if Aqīda is not his area of expertise, surely Mufti Monawwar can lift a pen to sign/attest to whatever the “rest” are doing about it.
In regards to your comment about Mufti Munawwar, they wrote a fatwa on an issue that they have some expertise in. It is not for them to write a fatwa on this issue, and think about it objectively what traction would it have.
They are all doing their own work and what benefit is it of them speaking up. Shah Sahib's antics are in the public domain.
Shaykh Asrar used to get involved in these things previously and all it did was slow them down from the good work they are doing now.
Can't just go round in circles for 20 years, which is why these scholars just want to stay out of it.
You say that as if that’s a good thing. Is their duty only extended towards their murīds?
What if Azmi Sahib stays silent, does that mean Mufti Monawwar won’t do/sign anything. What if Shaykh Asrar plays by these same cop-out rules and says I will only say something/sign anything if Saeedi Sahib does so. Please. Everyone is their own person.
Why can’t Mufti Monawwar repeat what he did with the Covid vaccine Fatwa—write it and Azmi Sahib signs it.
Why is a Mufti depending on others?
Pir Maroof needs to sack the guy otherwise JTI will be known as JTS—Jamiat Tabligh us Shia.
@Surati The vast majority of the scholars/pirs you have mentioned don't get involved in these things. Most of their followers don't follow the likes of Shah Sahib. They do their own thing.
Pir Mahroof and Mufti Ansar could release something because they had good relations with shah sahib. Azmi Sahib too because their words would represent the thoughts of the likes of Allama Arshad Misbahi and Mufti Munawwar.
Shah Sahib's reputation has been hit and their following both here and in Pakistan has dwindled. Those who still follow them will continue to do do whoever now does or does not speak out.
I agree but other Ulama need to say something about it too.
Oh yeah? Why should it only be these people that have to do everything? What have the rest done about it?
Birmingham’s mashoor Shaykh Monawwar Ateeq, Pir Saqib Shāmi, Shaykh Aslam and Sultan Bahu—nothing.
Mufti Sham ul Huda, Mufti Ayyub, Pir Marūf, Pir Mahbūbi, Pir Arīfīn, Sufi Riyāz, Mufti Ansār, Mawlana Farashwi, Pirzada Imdād, Jamia al Karam, Sunni Dawat-e-Islami, Dawat-E-Islami, Mufti Wajid Iqbal, Allamah Azmi Sahib, Mawlana Arshad Misbahi—zilch.
Where are these people when you need them?
A munafiq is a liar. One cannot expect them to stick to their words. It takes a man of honour to do that!
Iran Shah is a full blown rafizi now, I don't see him coming back and anybody from his followers who tries to defend him deserves to take that jump along with him off minar e Pakistan.
Haye Haye Nabeelam
take out any clip from india/pak about some congressia joining bjp or vice versa; or some pmln guy joining ppp or pti or so on. expect more such videos in this honeymoon phase. this guy reminds me of sharad pawar
the technical term for such people is dalbadlu in india or lota in pak
irfan deserves a hashtag #irfanlota
tbh, at least paqs has been consistent in his heresy, lotas are worse 'coz they keep changing their colors