Irfan Shah Mash'hadi in the Tafzili/Rafizi camp

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  1. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    it seems to be an outdoor gathering. so what is it - dastarbandi, welcome to the club bbq, laying the foundation for some new rip off scheme...?

    i almost missed riyaz shah's face on the edge of the pic. on the bright side, at least that russian orthodox guy isn't there. his ugly head gear photobombs any picture he's in! PAQ's blue surgical gloves are a much lesser eyesore than that!
     
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  2. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Wasn't it Iran Shah who famously named PAQ as Mufakkir-e-Bulfazool several years ago? I guess all is forgiven and forgotten now!

    The photographer must have been a bit late getting his camera ready, else we would have seen the shot of them both hugging with tears flowing all around on being united after all these years apart.
     
  3. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    A bit like America's operations in Afghanistan...same question we ask here, 'What was the point the last 20 years'?
     
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  4. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    Oh, How the Mighty Have Fallen!
    FB_IMG_1629724376736.jpg I guess this was on the cards from the beginning of Iran Shahs slide into Shiah-ism. Just the Canadian Doctor missing from this sideshow now.
     
  5. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Former aide and khalifa of irfan saab



    #principles-over-people
     
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  6. Surati

    Surati Well-Known Member

    anyone knows the outcome of this meeting?
     
  7. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Like you said @Aqdas it is the age of social media, so the public are well aware of Shah Sahib and his recent statements. Many who were with him have left him and those who remain will most likely remain in spite of any forthcoming fatwa.

    No need to give Shah Sahib any more coverage because if they want to peddle fringe opinions then that is where they will find themselves: on the fringes. The reality is their reputation has been destroyed and whatever new tabreek they want to sell to the Sunnis, the sunnis will just not buy it.
     
  8. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Do ulama realise the age we live in? His speeches were broadcast live! It is the age of social media.

    Are you going to wait 10 years before issuing a statement? So that his bidah takes a hold a Sunnis are led astray?

    Ulama need to wake up and smash bidah the same day it is blurted by careless speakers/deviants.

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    And take note, it isn't his ego that is stopping Irfan Shah doing tawbah. It's that he doesn't regret any of those points and actually believes in them all.
     
  9. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Some fair points and I agree Shah Sahib should just be left to it now.
     
  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    That's the point. He isn't a kid. He knows the issues. No desperation needed. 'These are the parameters. If you leave them, your bad.' Why are we desperate? We aren't. A man is choosing to leave the Sunni way. Ulama tried to reason with him nicely. He wasn't interested. So go away. Din doesn't need you.

    What is written here reaches him. Don't worry. Anyway, it wasn't literally addressing him. It's to wake up some of the deluded one's on our side who think begging at his feet will work. Like I said, initially people go and use diplomacy. But when a man is adamant, leave him. All ulama should unite and send a strong message:

    Sayyid or whoever. If you move away from the Sunni way and despite being asked nicely to retract, you attack your well wishers, then go. The hukm on you is that it is forbidden for any Sunni to listen to your speeches or associate with you. All those with bayah, it is broken. You are a spokesman of shiah.
     
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  11. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @Aqdas With all due respect I don't think Shah Sahib reads our comments, so no need to rant at him: 'You're not a child' and such comments are not needed or appropriate.

    The scholars are contacting knowing full well what Shah Sahib are like but they are just desperate to get Shah to come back.

    However, the maslak is not dependent on any one scholar, so best to pass the Shari' Hukm and leave them to it.
     
  12. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    The only way back for Irfan Shah is tawbah and ruju. Anyone who goes to him to reconcile matters should bear this in mind. He has misled hundreds if not thousands of Sunnis.

    Yesterday, Mahmud Hazarwi was hellbound but today he is Sunni? Even though he was dead in 1999 when you declared him jahannami.

    Yesterday, saying Ali ka pahla number was rifd. Today you exhort people to say it.

    Today you're saying after Allah is the prophet and after the prophet is Ali.

    Today you're saying Fatimah رضي اللہ عنھا is superior most after RasulAllah ﷺ.

    Today you're saying the entire system of RasulAllah ﷺ rested on the shoulders of Ali رضي الله عنه.

    Today you attack ibn Umar رضي الله عنهما and say Mawla Ali only said Shaykhayn are greater due to his modesty.

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    You're not a child. You know the issues. You've been contacted. You don't want to retract anything.

    No aalim should go to him seeking clarification. It is tawbah and ruju or nothing. These things are clear rifd. There is no tawil.

    Our ulama need to stop making out like he's a little kid who needs to be explained to why these things are misguidance. He's a shaykh ul hadith! He knows everything and is doing these things knowingly.

    Ulama have tried again and again to get him to see sense.

    No more niceties needed. Put it on him: tawbah and ruju is your only option. We don't want a debate. It isn't needed.
     
  13. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    JazakAllah for the reply @Sunni Jaag. It does seem that way but Syed Munawwar seems to have a lot of influence too.
     
  14. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

    The original plan was to get a verdict approved from Bareilly Shareef.

    Shah Sahib milked the Chaar Yaar issue and now has found another source of income and project to remain relevant. I believe money is the main reason and everything else is just an act.
     
  15. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @Sunni Jaag Is there any update on what and when the next steps will be released in regards to the current issues with Shah Sahib?

    Do you reckon it's Syed Munawwar Jammati who is behind this change in Shah Sahib?
     
  16. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

    Might happen sooner than you think.
     

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  17. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Dr Sahib's students don't miss a trick. Shah Sahib must be crying inside thinking when are they going to get off his back.

    Shah Sahib did the same to Imam Noorani, Pir Karam Shah back in the day and recently to the likes of Pir Abdul Qadir Shah, so nothing new. However, I don't think Shah Sahib has had the backlash that they are having now, albeit deserved because of their recent antics.

    Just waiting for Pir Abdul Qadir Shah to gift Shah Sahib a Jubba for everything to come full circle.
     
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  18. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member



    Iran Shah says Nabeel Afzal and Barkaat Chisti will represent him.

    How times change!

     
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  19. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran


    Mufti Aslam Bandiyalvi sahib explains the controversy and the blasphemy of the sahaba by Iran Shah in detail.
     
  20. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    This account is not open in public but witnessed by myself and perhaps a couple of others who were sat at the front of the bus. If I name and shame the individual it will come under gheebat. And this was not the only account, just one of many that I witnessed since I was there in person with this group.

    There is also the case where we need to make others aware of an individual to safeguard others which does not come under gheebat, but this case perhaps does! Better to caution.
     

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