latest sh.yaqubi speech

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  1. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    Being England's greatest criminal with a network of people I can say half the problems would be resolved if:

    1 students of knowledge, who probably live in the same city and study with the same teacher, could discuss these issues behind close doors. Placing discussions on forums prior to a private discussion makes things worse.

    All the problems would be resolved if:

    2 all teachers and public figures involved should desist from divulging stories of private meetings and discussions to laymen, students and others who it does not concern.

    Stories are circulating now of different things. The piety of all involved is only known to their Creator.

    3 a body of scholars need to be formed. Until no committee for issues of disputes is not formed these types of disputes will continue.

    Why will they continue? Because people who are considered 'sheikhs' in the UK or the west believe they are ultimate authorities and as long as that is the case they do not like being corrected.

    Otherwise why wouldn't people retract once they have been notified? Like when Munawwar Ateeq retracted on an issue as soon as he was notified. The afforementioned was one of those who advised that Aslam should have been contacted and notified.

    When a public figure refuses to acknowledge a mistake or retract once the mistake is public, he has left the door open to be refuted from all angles. If he is able to counter the refutations then let him do so.

    The minimum that could have been done is to take the video down now that people contacted the party involved.

    Refusal to do so is a clear example of what makes people refute such positions. If the video remains and the person keeps the same view then this becomes an open dialogue for everyone to correct the erring position as it is in the public.

    Some of these public figures are kings of their own little corner, unfortunately.
     
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  2. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

    If you are loyal to Muhammad salla Allah alayhi wa sallam, then we are yours;
    What is this universe?!! The pen and the tablet are yours;

    This very famous couplet of Allama Iqbal رحمة الله عليه has been the slogan of the scholars ever since it has been penned. I have put forward the case and if anyone can get through to Aslam (because I have tried all possible means) raise this issue with him. He has my number and we are more than happy to welcome him for discussion.

    Most of the readers have also shared their concern and do find the clip alarming.

    It should be clear that in my posts I have not declared Aslam out of the fold of Sunnism, or out of the fold of Islam. We believe he is Sunni, but deem some of his statements as being dodgy and extremely concerning.

    There is no need for us to be jealous, as for the people who he has sat with, we have sat with.

    Leaving everything else to aside, @Abu Hamza, what do you make of the statements in Aslam's interview? Whether it be any Tom, Dick or Harry saying this do you think these statements express loyalty to the prophet and his pure din or disloyalty
     
  3. Abu Hamza

    Abu Hamza Hanafi-Maturidi

    @kaydani1

    1] I am very much familiar with what was said, when, where and by whom as I was in the thick of it.

    2] If you have exerted all means of contact with Shaykh Aslam [which you havent] then maybe your method of dealing with this can be justified.

    3] I didn't suggest that you barge in guns blazing and cause dissention, be patient, perhaps he would have met you and discussed, and if he didn't then you have a point, from your post you sound like a knowledgable brother but your reasoning that rumours "would" have spread and fitnah "would" become rife doesn't wash, assumptions don't carry any weight i'm afraid.

    4] Like brother @Waqar786 said, its perfectly understandable why he's on guard and is sceptical about meeting people who he thinks are hell bent on ruining his reputation.

    5] Subhan'Allah! What exactly are you seeking from the Ulema of Hijaz? And why so hasty? An impartial observer would be forgiven for thinking that you are eager to have him cast out of Islam [nauzubillah - Allah Almighty protect us all]. Have you considered the possibility of the audio being tampered with? Has he admitted that it is his recording [even though it might be far fetched the possibility is there] and if so, is he is refusing to admit he is wrong? So many things need to be considered. Gone are the days and the methodology of Fazile Bareilly {radi'Allahu Anh}.

    6] I was merely making the point that there is jealousy involved. People can't stand the fact that Shaykh Aslam has sat with the biggest Ulema of the age and has a lot of clout around him.

    And finally, you said "all avenues have been closed"... i'm baffled.

    What is certain is that you don't consider him a Sunni. Which Ulema have said that he is no longer considered a part of Ahlu Sunnah [provide names as I would like to contact them] or did you make that decision?
     
  4. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran


    This shows to me that you have already convicted him, so what dialogue will there be, if the starting point is that you deem the Shaykh no longer part of 'Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama`a.' Up until today, I have not heard any scholar say that Shaykh Aslam is no longer a Sunni but if you know of any, then please be kind enough to give names. If there are not any, then please refrain from indicting scholars and 'kicking' them out of Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama`a, as many keyboard warriors on social media have. You have full right to ask the Shaykh Aslam about the interview and clarify issues but if you are going to approach them with the attitude that you think he is no longer Sunni, then you will be met with the response that you got. As I mentioned in my earlier post, we need to leave judgments about scholars to scholars and not slander and claim that they are not 'sunni' or they are 'Sullah Kulli, like many members on this forum have about many scholars. This what causes friction, division and distrust.
    @Harris786 ,
    My dealings with Shaykh Aslam, albeit limited that they are, I always found him to be very humble and the notion that he is too 'sophisticated' to speak to Bralweis is something, I have to disagree with. I will admit that he is quite reserved and that can come across, as quite abrupt or awkward but that is just his nature. I am sure if you approach him with the view of clarifying misunderstandings and husn ul-dhan, he will speak to you.
    Firstly, I would like to apoligise for assuming that you made those comments, without trying to speak to the Shaykh beforehand. However, I find point 4 very pertinent and it something that @AbuHamza alluded to. Shaykh Aslam was mentioned in a video by name and attacked, so I understand the fact that you say that everyone should not be tarred with same brush but you should also understand that in the wake of that attack, the Shaykh will be extremely guarded and reticent to speak to individuals, outside his circle. Whether that approach is right or wrong is up for debate but I can understand where the Shaykh is coming from. What I want to see is greater coordination between our young Sunni Scholars, especially those whose outlooks are seemingly different like Shaykh Aslam and Shaykh Asrar. Furthermore, it should be up to the Scholars to approach each other, if they have concerns about one another, so they can be disc cussed in a knowledgeable way. Too often it is murreeds or supporters of a particular Shaykh hyping up situations, especially on social media, which often leads to division and fitna, and more importantly, without the issue being involved. On a massive issue like the one discussed on the interview, how much better would it had been, if there was a consultation between the scholars and a joint statement being put forward, which would have alleviated the issues that were point of contention (on reflection, I do agree with you some of the Shaykh's comments were problematic but giving an interview to a major news channel, he could not speak in the manner that the Shaykh did in the video that you have attached either) but because there is no coordination, we will see these issues cropping up again and again. I know the points that I am making do not apply exactly to you but I hope that they will be taken into consideration, as part of the wider part of the discussion.
     
  5. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @Harris786 ,
    My dealings with Shaykh Aslam, albeit limited that they are, I always found him to be very humble and the notion that he is too 'sophisticated' to speak to Bralweis is something, I have to disagree with. I will admit that he is quite reserved and that can come across, as quite abrupt or awkward but that is just his nature. I am sure if you approach him with the view of clarifying misunderstandings and husn ul-dhan, he will speak to you.
    Firstly, I would like to apoligise for assuming that you made those comments, without trying to speak to the Shaykh beforehand. However, I find point 4 very pertinent and it something that @AbuHamza alluded to. Shaykh Aslam was mentioned in a video by name and attacked, so I understand the fact that you say that everyone should not be tarred with same brush but you should also understand that in the wake of that attack, the Shaykh will be extremely guarded and reticent to speak to individuals, outside his circle. Whether that approach is right or wrong is up for debate but I can understand where the Shaykh is coming from. What I want to see is greater coordination between our young Sunni Scholars, especially those whose outlooks are seemingly different like Shaykh Aslam and Shaykh Asrar. Furthermore, it should be up to the Scholars to approach each other, if they have concerns about one another, so they can be disc cussed in a knowledgeable way. Too often it is murreeds or supporters of a particular Shaykh hyping up situations, especially on social media, which often leads to division and fitna, and more importantly, without the issue being involved. On a massive issue like the one discussed on the interview, how much better would it had been, if there was a consultation between the scholars and a joint statement being put forward, which would have alleviated the issues that were point of contention (on reflection, I do agree with you some of the Shaykh's comments were problematic but giving an interview to a major news channel, he could not speak in the manner that the Shaykh did in the video that you have attached either) but because there is no coordination, we will see these issues cropping up again and again. I know the points that I am making do not apply exactly to you but I hope that they will be taken into consideration, as part of the wider part of the discussion.
     
  6. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @Harris786 ,
    My dealings with Shaykh Aslam, albeit limited that they are, I always found him to be very humble and the notion that he is too 'sophisticated' to speak to Bralweis is something, I have to disagree with. I will admit that he is quite reserved and that can come across, as quite abrupt or awkward but that is just his nature. I am sure if you approach him with the view of clarifying misunderstandings and husn ul-dhan, he will speak to you.
     
  7. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

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  8. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

    @Abu Hamza:

    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    الحمد لله رب العالمين ، ولا عدوان إلا على الظالمين ، والعاقبة للمتقين ، والصلوة والسلام على أجمل الأنبياء والمرسلين ، وعلى آله وصخبه أجمعين ، أما بعد :​

    Prior to discussing the points you have raised, I would like to convey to the readers that I am well-informed of the doings in Birmingham.

    In the circles of knowledge in Birmingham, during the past four years, and in particular the past two years, many divisions have been created and refutations have been sent from one camp to another. Considering this scenario, as believers, we are just obliged to follow that group who is not contradicting the Quran and the Sunna. Allah, the Most High, states:

    "And who is more of an oppressor than that person in front of whom his Lord's signs have been mentioned, then turns his back on them. Indeed, we will take retribution from the criminals." [al-Sajda]

    Our pious predecessors and the great jurists of Islam have given us step-by-step guidance on how to observe every aspect of our lives. From the blessed biographies of the scholars, we see that it was their habit to detach themselves from those who left their own principles.

    It is narrated in the Sahih of Imam Muslim, Ibn Qahzad said:

    I heard Abu Ishaq al-Talaqani say, "I heard Ibn Mubarak say, 'If I were to be given a choice to enter Janna or meet Abdullah b. Muharrar, then I would choose to first of all meet him, and then enter Janna. But when I saw him, dung/droppings were more beloved to me.'"
    The Ulama have mentioned the reason for this is upon close interaction of Ibn Mubarak with Abdullah b. Muharrar, he noticed that Abdullah b. Muharrar would generate fake isnad of the narrations.

    These texts guide us to give our loyalty to those who stick to the straight path and leave those who go astray.

    1] The Zahir Mahmood issue has more to what most people know. It is better that this issue be left for discussion at another time.

    2] @Harris786's issues are his own. Just to inform you of our encountering with Aslam, he did not have any Husn al-Zann for us. We kindly requested time from him with utmost adab, yet we were welcomed with a hung up phone call and being blocked through other means of contacting him. Now please, @Abu Hamza, you tell me whether this is adab on his part? Surely, a person with a functioning rational faculty will be able to determine the correct answer without any bias. In spite of his lack of adab, we are still willing to sit with him and discuss these issues. Know, we did not go through any of his students or wing-men, but we contacted Aslam direct and spoke to him directly.

    3] Seeing that you are well-versed with the "ground realities", I am sure you would know that by us turning up at the Khatam and approaching Aslam, it would not have been taken well by people. Rumors would have spread and more fitna would become rife! Also, just to update you on the "ground realities", the Khatam took place at he Gamkol Education Centre, and not at Lozzels Road Masjid.

    4] If someone has been ill-mannered to Aslam, or brought him in the middle of some dirty politics, that does not mean that we should be brushed with same stick. For your information, I posted my initial article and then took it down to contact him and it did not turn out well as Aslam responded in an ill-mannered way. Hence, the post went back up.

    5] This is amongst the first steps of making efforts with Aslam. The Ulama of Hjiaz and the world are being contacted as we speak.

    6] Having sat with people of piety does not necessitate that one is upon truth (haq). We are all well aware of our earlier days when our teachers in Qaida classes would narrate to us the story of Shaytan from where he started, and who's company he had, to what became of his fate. At this stage, I don't wish to dwell into examples from the blessed life of the Beloved salla Allah alayhi wa sallam in which people shared his company yet failed to bring faith in him.

    Like I said in point 4, we did contact him but what options do we have when all avenues of contact have been closed. This is no personal grudge, as you have also informed us that you find some of the content of this interview troubling and disturbing, maybe you can also raise it up with Aslam. If you get an answer, please post it here as we will appreciate your efforts and be able to tackle matters in different ways depending on his answers.

    If Aslam's din contains ascribing his own ideas to the Prophet alayhi al-salam, and deeming rightful actions wrong, then this din is far from being pure and we say:

    لكم دينكم ولي دين​

    Also, this is not a scholarly way of doing things at all.

    For those people who think this is a personal grudge, I say, if Aslam makes tawba for what he has said and comes back to the way of Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama`a, then we have no problem with him. Bygones are bygones. Then I shall consider him the crown of my head.

    Nabi ka jo ghulam hai, humara woh Imam hai
    The only way to resolve issues is through dialogue...
     
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  9. Abu Hamza

    Abu Hamza Hanafi-Maturidi

    @kaydani1 - You made some good points but let me point out few ground realities.

    1] Students/young scholars in Birmingham have a very long track record of spreading fitnah and causing unneccesary tension amongst sunni's. When Zahir Mahmood[Al-Suffā Instituite -Deo] made those statements [which dont need to be mentioned], a few SUNNI tulaab rang him and informed him, they followed it up with a meeting in his home, after which Zahir Mahmood made tawba and renewed his imaan - A personal grudge caused a few tulaab to insult them for approaching him and jokes were made about how they enjoyed a spot of 'tea' and 'biscuits' with him. Subhan'Allah! A normal reaction would be one of relief and shukr, but no. Is it any wonder why S.Aslam doesnt give these people the time of day?

    2] Shaykh Aslam is approachable, @Harris786 something his student said on his behalf cannnot be used against him, maybe it's you or your affiliates he doesn't want to see, or perhaps his student didn't want you to see him, it's amazing how husn ul-dhan is given to the student but the teacher doesnt recieve any such courtesy [i don't know i'm just speculating], there could be a thousand reasons.

    3] You seem to be extremely passionate about this, and rightfuly so. The interview did not sit well with me either. Today, he is conducting the khatam for Shaykh Shukri [rahimāhullāh] at Lozzels Road Masjid, would it not be wise to approach him then? If not then maybe this post is unproductive and should be removed.

    4] I have no affiliation with Shaykh Aslam whatsoever and neither am i defending him, but look at it from his point of view, recently, he was mentioned by name in a completely unprovoked slur. He wasn't approached before hand, he did not recieve any warning, and was completely unaware. Why wasn't he informed and approached then? [funnily enough, he was approached later - a tad bit late].

    5] You mention Imam Ahmad Rida Khan's [rahimahullah] name in vain, tell me, how many strenuous efforts did Ala'Hazrat make with Thanvi and Co before he approached the Ulema of the Hijaz? You've taken out the noose after one or two attempts. [I'm not accusing anyone of making takfir so don't miscontrue my words].

    6] In my opinion, there is a lot of hasad involved [not aimed at you @kaydani1 but there are some in Birmingham who dislike him for no apparent reason] , Shaykh Aslam has sat and benefitted from giants, to name just two, Shaykh Abdur-Razzaq al-Halabi [rahimahullah] from whom he recieved ijaazah from [no ordinary feat], and ofcourse, the Qutb, Shaykh Shukri al-Luhafi [rahimahullah] whom he studied with for many years and also attained ijaaza in the Hafs dialect.

    Like i said in point 4, I don't know the man, but to tarnish a learned person's reputation [sunni ofcourse] in one fell swoop after he exerted himself for years, sacrificing his time and effort to learn this pure deen and benefit others with is the pinnacle of wretchedness. There is a way to go about doing things, i'm not pointing fingers at anyone since i've done it too and I ask Allah's forgiveness.

    Allah Almighty and His Beloved know best.
     
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  10. Harris786

    Harris786 Veteran

    @Waqar786

    Sidi Aslam is to sufisticated to talk to Baralaywi's, a few years ago i wanted to talk to him about his 'blessed birth' event, i requested one of his students to ask him he said 'he has no time for nobodies and it was not compulsory for him to answer.'
     
  11. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

    @Waqar786

    نحمده ونصلي ونسلم على رسوله الكريم ، أما بعد :​

    Aslam is knowledgeable of the types of Ijazat; he also seems very well-versed in various ways of making money. Thirty days, money (£100) and ijazat adds up to one thing; this is known as transaction [bay`]. The ironic thing is that a few days ago, on his Facebook page he said, and I quote:

    "The job of the scholars and the awliyah is to fill empty souls not to empty full pockets."

    I wish to take this opportunity to raise the question; what is he doing in this case? Is he filling empty souls? Or emptying full pockets? Or multi-tasking?

    Regarding the radio interview, we did not take snippets but reviewed the whole clip. @Waqar786, I'll simplify it for you. Let's take Tanawi as an example, would Imam Ahmad Raza Khan رحمة الله عليه be accused of taking snippets from the former's works? No, not at all. The Imam reviewed the whole book and those parts of the book which were found concerning were examined and brought forward. Similarly, in the case of Aslam, I and some other Ulama have reviewed this whole clip numerous time (of the interview) and highlighted these "snippets" (as you like to call it) as being those which are detrimental and concerning and we are confident anyone with a morsel of Iman shall also share their feeling with us on this particular issue. Hence, certain scholars have in the past few months highlighted these points in their talks.

    By only highlighting these parts of his interview shows our sincerity in this matter. We are not "having a go" at Aslam for no reason, but we have a valid concern.

    As for your point mentioning that we should had made contact with Aslam and so on. We have made contact with him and we requested, may I add with the utmost adab, to sit down and discuss the issue with us. But in a very ill-mannered way, he hung up the phone and blocked us. Now, please @Waqar786, how on earth are supposed to speak to someone if he is not willing to sit with us and discuss these issues? A "scholar" such as Aslam should have the decency to show Husn al-Zann to his Muslim brothers, unless he does not consider us that?

    Finally, I would like to add, these same people have no shame in sitting with Deobandis and Wahhabis, yet when there fellow Sunni brethren come and request time to raise a concern, they fall on deaf ears. Is this the way of a Wali? Is this the way of Shaykh Shukri? What did you study in 8 years?

    The only way to resolve issues is through dialogue...
     
  12. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    There are different types of Ijazahs and I am sure that Shaykh Aslam knows more on this matter than you do. Instead of making sarcastic comments and in the case of Kaydani1, taking snippets from a video and then making generalized conclusions, we should at least attempt to make contact with the Shaykh and understand which standpoint, he is coming from. I am not a supporter of Shaykh Aslam but I am an opponent of individuals on this forum that make attacks on scholars that they have never sat with or at the very least sought to clarify their stances on various issues. This causes friction and a lack of unity, which is a major cause of why Sunnis are in the state that they are in.
     
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  13. Harris786

    Harris786 Veteran

    Ijazahs will be handed out in 30 day course maybe somebody could get me one.
     

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  14. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

    Please DO NOT delete the thread!
     
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  15. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم ، وصلى الله على سيدنا محمد وعلى آله وصحبه وبارك وسلم .

    Claimants of the inheritance of the Prophets have become very common in our day and age. It is very unfortunate to see that these people, to safeguard their interests fail to transmit the religion (Dīn) of the Messenger of Allah ﷺ correctly and fail miserably at defending his glorious honour. These same people have adopted an unprincipled form of life—religiously and non-religiously—to the extent that on an almost daily basis we witness the contravention of basic Islamic principles, values and beliefs. To name a few; free-mixing, showing loyalty to misguided sects, and being lenient to those who disparage the Prophet ﷺ. The most disgraceful thing is that this is all being done in the name of Tasawwuf, and above all, Islam.

    From these claimants is "Shaykh" Mohammed Aslam, an individual who has studied the religion for a large number of years and has graduated from prestigious Islamic institutes. This individual who has on numerous occasions unveiled his Ijāzāt and links to the Ulama has a record of many blunders. But the one I wish to dwell upon is regarding his BBC radio interview broadcasted on 16th Jan 2015. In this particular interview, he said with regards to the Paris incidents, "[...] They are not justified by any religion, the Prophet Mohammed (ﷺ) would not have agreed with them", and also mentioned, "[...] For what happened is not part of our religion", and, "It is absolutely condemned by our religion" (link to the interview on YouTube: ).

    First of all, I would like to ask this individual, has he not read Sahih al-Bukhari? Or the works of Imam al-Subki? Or the works of al-Qadi al-Iyyad? And an endless list of many others scholars. We see traditions where the Companions defended the honour of the Prophet ﷺ and the Prophet expressed his happiness and said, "All praise is due to Allah" (al-hamd li-Allah). If in the future, I am obliged to show these references, I will.

    However, this individual does not stop there, but goes on to say that if the Prophet ﷺ was here, he would not have agreed with this. What an accusation on the Prophet ﷺ? Is this our religion? Tomorrow, people will begin to say that if the Prophet ﷺ was here, he would have done such and such, and so on, and start ascribing their own lies to his blessed essence. Without doubt, this opens the floodgates to a great tribulation in our nation (umma). The Messenger of Allah ﷺ said in a mass-transmitted (mutawātir) narration:

    من كذب عليّ متعمدا فليتبوأ مقعده في النار
    Whomsoever lies upon me knowingly, then let him prepare his seat in Hell Fire.

    He also mentions in his statements that these actions have no part in our religion and are condemned by the religion, then my question to him is: the actions of our Master, Umar رضي الله تعالى عنه, to which religion do they belong?

    In the last 48 hours, the Muslim world has had to suffer probably one of its greatest losses in recent history, namely, the loss of Shaykh Shukri al-Luhafi رضي الله تبارك وتعالى عنه who was with the consensus of the Ulama that he was from the Abdāl, and according to some Ulama, he was the leader of the Abdāl.

    This same Shaykh Mohammed Aslam is holding a Khatam in remembrance of Shaykh Shukri al-Luhafi in which others like him who are unprincipled in their ways will be attending.

    The Awliyā live a principled life and these people, I feel, do not have any right to represent these men of Allah. Thus, I humbly request everyone to not attend this gathering.
     
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