More perennialist talk by Hamza Yusuf

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  1. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  2. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

  3. Ali Hussain

    Ali Hussain Banned

    What exactly is the issue with Hamza Yusuf?


     
  4. Khanah

    Khanah Veteran

    Hamza and Al Yaqoubi will be in London soon sharing an event together. I did consider the possibility of whether Al Yaqoubi had privately distanced himself as I hadn't seen them together in several years, and he just hadn't spoken on it publicly... But here we are.

    Additionally, whilst some may sit with Hamza whilst not really knowing various stances he keeps, Al Yaqoubi has been made aware of several of the issues so he has no excuse. And by sitting with him, he legitimises him in the eyes of unwittingy sunni/sufi types- and that's the problem with hanging with Hijab and Co whether for reasons relating to Palestine or anything else as well, as far as I'm concerned.
     
  5. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Jamia al Karam shouldn't be promoting Hamza on their page.

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  6. Ali Hussain

    Ali Hussain Banned

    Ahmed Deedat is much better than these two people. Deedat will win any debate with these two.
     
  7. ghulamRasool

    ghulamRasool Active Member

    Also, Hamza yusuf has said this one other thing. Whilst talking about the minister Hamza Yousef of scotland I believe - at least that is what the title makes it out to be. He makes a tawil of the homosexuality statement of Hamza Yousef (the first minister). Is it okay to make this kind of tawil.
    he said: "in our religion it is very clear that homosexuality is a sin. But the debate is with regards to those outside the faith. Is it a sin for them. We don't know what he intended".
    here is the full video


    And the following is what hamza yousef (the minister) said, in the video right at the top of the article below:
    when the host asked him do you believe that gay sex is a sin, he said "no. if I can just be crystal clear on that." but then also said "I can't change what's in certian faiths. I can't change what's in scripture. But what I will tell you the approach that I will take which is that I won't let personal faith to be the basis of legislation."
    https://news.sky.com/story/humza-yo...easons-snp-leadership-candidate-says-12820533
     
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    yaqoubi saab will also drift around quotes. what mark hanson says there is clear riddah, as he has uttered in many other places. he is a rotten murtad and a kafir. it is only our sad times that a dajjal like him can be called a scholar.
     
  9. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    The Hanafi and Maliki faqih, yaqubi sb should be asked about the talk between 1:12 and 1:14.

     
  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Yaqubi sb sharing with Hamza even now is appalling.

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  11. Ali Hussain

    Ali Hussain Banned

    I didn't find anything wrong with Md. Yaqoubi. He's very wise and knowledgeable..
     
  12. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Search the forum.
     
  13. Ali Hussain

    Ali Hussain Banned

    What is wrong with Muhammad al Yaqoubi?
     
  14. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    More unadulterated nonsense spewed by HY. Apparently he's trying to outdo zakir khalnayak in finding truth through hinduism.

     
  15. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    so they are selling their akhirah just to look good in front of goraa saab.
    shame.

    the biggest disappointment is yaqubi.
     
  16. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Aware or not, my contention is,

    These people support and defend Hamza.
    Hamza has major heresies.
    Ergo, they're selling him to Sunni awaam.
    On Sunni platforms.

    So there must be a process to vet molwis before they get invited.

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    About awareness, that's precisely the reason we've got to highlight it so that this doesn't become normalised.

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    The idea of having a repository of reliable ulama has been there for many years.
     
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  17. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Brother, needless to say I'm with you.

    However, my serious question is this, as I'm not sure I have a good idea on it -

    How many contemporary shuyukh are well read and well aware of the current "trends" in the world of "dawah"?

    How many old-gen Urdu/Punjabi speaking mawlanas, khateebs, shaykhs etc. are aware of what you just said? (Who authored TSQ, who contributed etc.?)

    How many English speaking ones are? Likes of Shahid Ali, Monawwar Ateeq, Asrar Rashid... and so on.

    Are there any ways or methods to get any metrics or data on how much well aware and well read religious personalities are in current affairs? -

    1. political, duniyawi, economic which affect our daily religious lives too - LGBT, riba, mortgages, Gaza, local elections etc.

    2. directly deen-related current affairs - perennialism, multifaith houses of "worship", wahabism, normalizing qadianism, normalizing shiaism, normalizing ismailism... etc etc

    See this link as an example - https://the.ismaili/usa/ismailis-elected-office-the-2022-elections

    Most people including community leaders (nonismaili 'Sunni' crowd of any shade - maybe 60-70%) are blissfully unaware of these two gents being ismailis, some modern types don't care, some rightly or wrongly rationalize it that we're not using them or their religion, rather we're using the state's house of representatives to further our interests. These two ismailis are welcome in multiethnic Mawlids (they even hand out community development initiative certs from the house of representatives), Arab wahabi mosques, shia matams, desi Barelwi mosques, desi devbandi mosques... everywhere ... as some sort of brown man's voices as well as "community representatives" for Muslims ... for both campaigning for their political endeavors as well as being guests of honor.

    Paradoxically, most times even those involved in community activities and current affairs are unaware of current affairs!

    Both thr west and east are full of such examples.
     
  18. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    We've got to get serious about defending Islam against major tribulations such as perennialism.

    The apostate, murtadd, Hossein Nasr, led the publication of the distortion of the Quran and Hamza Yusuf praised the perennialist book and included his essay in it.

    So how can we allow people into Sunni masjids who support and defend Hamza Yusuf? Isn't that a war against the Quran?

    Those ulama who authorise invites to Sunni masjids for such supporters of perennialists will be named and shamed.
     
  19. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

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