Mufakkir responds to Syed Irfan

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  1. prove it!
  2. Muhammad Ali

    Muhammad Ali Veteran

  3. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    No where does it say those qaailun are Ahl alSunna. They could have easily been Qadariyya, Mutazila and Ahl alSunna.

    Also elsewhere Imam Abu Hasan Ashari states there is ijma' of Ahl alSunna.
  4. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    just for laymen like me:

    people can have deep discussions on the intricacies of ijma'a and include scores of technical terms, yet 99% of the 'awaam, like me, do not need to bother with it.

    sayyidina imam e a'azam abu hanifa derived thousands of rulings from the qur'an and sunnah and we accept them. for 99% of us, we are not bothered with the proofs and rajih/marjuh etc. - we just take the ruling that is mufta bih.

    for the issue of tafdil al-shaykhayn, beginners like those on our forum can argue till they are blue in the face but we have been told the ruling by ulama that are masters of every field of islamic learning. they KNEW the types of ijma'a far better than anyone today and their knowledge of all the texts, none of us can even begin to comprehend its expanse.

    so, you just carry on debating ijma'a and we will just take the one line conclusion of our elders: he who gives precedence to anyone above abu bakr and umar is an innovator.
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  5. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    No need to act innocent. Mufakkir accuses Imam Ashari of 'smuggling'
  6. you did not even understand the point ya Ah!

    Hazrat Mufakir al-Islam is saying that it is in maqalat al-islamiyyin and not that it is the position of al-ashari himself. secondly, so what He said ijma' instead of ittifaq but al-nawawi, for example, says ittifaaq in his sharh muslim and ijma in his tehdhib. yet alahazrat in matla quotes both but even for the first one where it says ittafaqa ahlasunnah....alahzarat preceding it says kutub e usool mein ba tasrih ijma naql kiya...first example is with the 'ittifaq' wording of nawawi and second one is nawawi's quotation of abu mansur and so on.

    alahazrat in sharah sahih muslim understood ijma' from the words ittifaq of nawawi. though i agree that by ittifaq he meant ijma!

    all your clips and undetstandings are out of context and doctored clippings sultan bahu trust yet they dont realise that fiaz al-hasan sb was next to tahir al-qadiri during the whole thing of hare rama hare krishna. why didnt he walk out? anyone can come and see that people are against it so i will make an excuse when i see the reaction. what happened when he was singing hare rama hare krishna...didnt say anything then? where is the clip?

    mufakir al-Islam does not say that it was al-ashri's own opinion but that he has written it in maqalat. you guys are twisting and chopping so it seems as if it he meant al-ashari.

    as for the three opinion of ahl al-sunna about yazid(L) in maqalat:

    فزعمت الروافض أنه جائز أن يظهر الإمام الكفر والرضى به والفسق على طريق التقية وجوزوا ذلك على الرسول عليه السلام وقال قائلون: لا يجوز ذلك على الرسول عليه السلام ولا يجوز واختلفوا في إمامة يزيد: فقال قائلون: كان إماماً بإجماع المسلمين على إمامته وبيعتهم له غير أن الحسين أنكر عليه أشياء مثلها ينكر وقال قائلون بإمامته وتخطئة الحسين في إنكاره عليه وقال قائلون: لم يكن إماماً على وجه من الوجوه.

    the rawafiz considered that in taqiyya it is allowed for the imams to manifest kufr and fisq and they also allowed it permissable for the Prophet(s).
    the sayers said: that is not for allowed for the Prophet(s) and it (taqiyya) is not permissable. they (those who disallowed taqiyya) differed in the imamat of yazid: sayers said: He was an imam by IJMA' of muslims and al-Husayn refused and sayers said: he was an imam and al-husayn was wrong in denying hsi rule and sayers said: he was not an imam for a reason amongst other reasons.

    the above were the three sunni opinions and one group claimed ijma on yazid's imamat.

    this all what mufakir al-Islam said and quoted from maqalaat. and not that it was the opinion of al-ashari but said that even people believed 'ijma' on the isssue as al-ashari(r) has written.

    it is the filter of hatred that blinds you because your beloved tafzil-cat is out of the bottle hence all kinds schemes.
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  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    sub'hanAllah, pir abdu'l qadir is a liar and was refuted and a criminal who attacks imam e ahl e sunnat, sayyiduna abu'l hasan al-ash'ari.

    he is an outright jahil who states and makes claims without any basis.

    the pathetic, deplorable clip below was refuted here and his lies exposed. also here and here.

    inShaAllah, we will have to compile a book on the inaccuracies and PAQ lies, but his blind followers will continue to hail him as a 'scholar'. i have said this before, and i repeat: a classic case of dunning-kruger effect.
  8. well, the level of research of maulana irfan shah sb about which he is claiming so much that for two years live on TV he kept saying it was in sunan daraqutni...then we informed him that hazrat do first hand research your self sometimes and do not rely on sunni-sunai. it was after two years of sunan-daraqutni sunan-dadaqutni, without actually reading it himself. Because it is not in sunan-daraqutni. hence phantom reading claim cannot be compensated by dB record.
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  9. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

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