mufti nizamuddin's Fatwa on Obaidullah Azmi

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  1. ghulamRasool

    ghulamRasool Well-Known Member

    salam
    I am so so sorry. I didn't know. May Allah forgive me for what I wrote about huzoor Shaykh ul Islam.
     
  2. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    there are three categories of deviants:
    1. those whose deviance reaches the level of kufr (bidʿah mukaffirah):
      these individuals are muslims only in name but fall under the ruling of kufr. marriage with such individuals is invalid, salah behind them is invalid, and eating their zabīhah is haram. moreover, if someone knowingly performs salah behind such a person, recognizing his kufr, then that act itself is kufr.

    2. those whose deviance constitutes bidʿah mufassiqah and who actively call others to their beliefs, though it does not reach the level of kufr:
      their nikah, salah, and zabīhah are makruh taḥrīman (prohibitively disliked). it is strongly discouraged to marry them, eat their zabīhah, or perform salah behind them.

    3. those whose deviance is minor and who do not actively promote their beliefs:
      in this case, their salah, nikah, and zabīhah are valid, but still disliked due to the risk of influence and gradual deviation. however, their ruling is lighter than that of the second category. such individuals should be treated with kindness, their salām should be returned, and they should be gently guided toward the correct ʿaqīdah.

      still, entering into marriage with them poses a serious risk, as even mild deviance can deepen with time. therefore, it is strongly discouraged
    a huge number of wahabis fall into the third category. they genuinely do not know the filthy ʿaqīdah of those whom we truly call a wahabi or deobandi. their condition is more of ignorance and unawareness, not of open rebellion or propagation. hence, their case should be approached with wisdom and compassion, while firmly avoiding their influence.

    this classification and ruling are consistent with what hazrat madani miyān has explained, and they align with what is stated in al-muʿtaqad al-muntaqad.
     
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  3. ghulamRasool

    ghulamRasool Well-Known Member

    My apologies. Does this mean that a sunni can marry a wahabi?
     
  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    what exactly bothers you in this clip? what he says in the below clip is correct.
     
  5. ghulamRasool

    ghulamRasool Well-Known Member

    salam
    Sorry but I am a bit stressed about something. As soon as I start following an alim on the internet, I come across something controversial about them. Who should we take knowledge from?

    I understand that we do not do taqleed in aqida and if a scholar makes mistakes, we do not follow them in that but people have to take knowledge from somewhere to start out in the path of seeking knowledge, or at least gain their farz uloom knowledge.

    I recently starting watching Mufti Nizamuddin sahab and then came across this thread. Now I have doubts about him.

    I also recently starting watching huzoor shaykh ul Islam. I am ignorant. And due to my ignorance I am unable to judge the correctness of a fatwa, especially a one coming from a big alim. Now, doubts are arising in my head about hazrat as well.


    I was recently thinking about joining an institution in sha Allah. Then read this.
    Going to be honest, if someone has a solution as to what to do, please do let me know. I am not talking about what scholars should do. I know brothers have advised to learn basic creed but this isn't about that. Laypeople also want to listen to scholars at times to increase their knowledge, for barakah, other for other beneficial reasons; some even want to become ulama. What should they do?
     
  6. MuhammedAli

    MuhammedAli Active Member

  7. Hassan_0123

    Hassan_0123 HhhhhhhM_786

    What's the 'issue' with Mufti Nizamuddin al-Misbahi?
     
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Double check and do your own due diligence but to the best of my knowledge, Mufti Nizamuddin has denounced Obaidullah Azmi for speaking nonsense against Ameer Mu3awiyah radi Allahu 3anhu. (If at all any clarification is sought on his views on OBK)
     
  9. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    A UK Rizwi is hounding me for answers on Mufti Nizamuddin.

    Are we allowed to promote him or not?

    The Rizwi is a Mawlana and I have said: it's not my job to clear every bloody issue. You lot need to do something too.
     
  10. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Ashrafiya Management Hits A New Low, expels a Mufti and his family from campus lodgings because he doesn't lick ubaidullah's boots.

    inna lil lahi wa inna ilayhi raji'oon

    https://clyp.it/fxursvex
     
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  11. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    you don't want to leave :)
     
  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

  13. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    this is your assumption that anything you do on public forums is in your control. actually, the first thing you should do when you register is look for the deletion policy and stay out if there is nothing mentioned.

    here are a few relevant reasons which is already explained by others. i knew all these reasons, simply because we are running a forum for more than ten years and have been using forums for much longer. so i googled if someone has already taken time to explain why it breaks the forum. i will just link the relevant articles below:

    http://www.politicsforum.org/documents/faq/account_deletion.php

    http://www.managingcommunities.com/2013/04/29/can-you-delete-all-of-my-posts-from-your-forums/

    this is wordpress:
    https://wordpress.org/support/topic/how-do-i-change-my-forum-username-or-delete-my-account

    this is openoffice:
    https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8279
    notice, that they will not touch your posts - though they may allow you to delete your profile (i.e., personal info - which we do not collect or force you to reveal anyway).

    this is stackexchange:
    http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5999/how-can-i-delete-my-account
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2016
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  14. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    see, you are now changing your request. first you wanted complete deletion - now you just want the personal conversation you decided to make public. instead of this, if you simply sent a note to the moderators saying that you did not exercise good judgement and made a private conversation public, we could have helped. but instead you want us to suspend our forum for your lack of judgement.
    that, you should aske before posting private conversations on a public forums in the future.

    that i can edit as some ulama might be dragged in this needlessly. the rest remains.
     
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  15. Arshad ul Qadri

    Arshad ul Qadri New Member

    have you people no Aql?
    The things I mentioned are private and only to me. the reason for deletion is simple, these private matters which I heard Arshad ul Qadri I don't want it online on this "forum". If you know me or not has nothing to do with it.

    You did not mentioned anywhere that deletion was an option. only to claim afterwards that it is not possible. This is not according to our ethics. When a Muslim ask another Muslim he does not want a part in it anymore, he should accept his request. putting Shart afterwards is deceiving and not according to our ethics.

    Again what I heard in person from the professors are personal to me and I don't want their names here on this forum. nor do I want any link to you people anymore.

    For the admins here such as noori. Your hypothesis is exactly why I don't want anything to do with you kind of people.
     
  16. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    nobody knows who you are in real life, therefore why do you worry? also, demanding from others that they forget what you have said to them is not part of your privacy, rather it belongs to others. memories of your behaviours, favours, criticism is part of thier private or public life, how can you demand from others to forget their experiences with you?

    I can bet that even if you leave this id, you will come back with a new one because you don't want to leave.
     
  17. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    sub'HanAllah. will you sue us now?

    khayr, you haven't understood the law (not privacy 'rules') properly. it is related to personal information, which we neither collect, nor solicit private information and we usually remove their personal details when someone complains. we even encourage people to use pseudonyms (and we don't know as of now, whether this is your REAL name or just a handle...)

    http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/document/review2012/factsheets/2_en.pdf
    http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/document/review2012/factsheets/6_en.pdf
    http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/files/factsheets/factsheet_rtbf_mythbusting_en.pdf [be kind enough to read myth 2]

    more docs: http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/document/index_en.htm

    ---
    however, this does not relate to your opinions and comments that you post on public forums. as if people are free to litter and demand others to clean up after them. imagine a talkative person who posts comments on every news-site and forum and one fine day decides to remove himself from the internet and demands every website to wash off his comments.

    do you think it is practical?

    REMEMBER: we don't ask you for your private information. we don't display your private information (except that which you choose to do it yourself). we honour requests to remove private information.
     
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2016
  18. Arshad ul Qadri

    Arshad ul Qadri New Member

    This is against privacy rules you know that right?

    Case google and privacy
    The case underlines the battle between advocates of free expression and supporters of privacy rights, who say people should have the "right to be forgotten" meaning that they should be able to remove their digital traces from the Internet.

    please delete it for me brother.
     
  19. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i am sorry brother but we cannot delete your profile and your posts without breaking hte system.

    you have to understand that this is a discussion forum and there are replies to your posts etc. if we delete your posts and profile, it appears that people are talking to themselves. i have now added a term in the rules at the time of registration that we cannot delete your profile or posts and if you don't accept, please do not register.
     
  20. Arshad ul Qadri

    Arshad ul Qadri New Member

    I dont understand. I looked everywhere. Where is the option to delete my profile? I even had a question added for this, but it seems you people are purposely not helping deleting my profile.

    Could you people erase my profile or answer my question about deletion, or just tell me here where and how I can delete my profile. slm
     

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