mufti nizamuddin's Fatwa on Obaidullah Azmi

you don't want to leave actually. Even facebook requires that you don't sign in with your id,i guess for 90 days.

 

I Request this for the third time, admin please erase my profile.

 

janab why do you think thus? not a single admin/moderator agrees with or condones ss. this should be clear to anyone involved in this and related threads.

if you say so because ss has not been banned yet, it's still unjust. The mods here have a policy. They do not ban people unless a ceratin line has been crossed. This line may differ with individuals and the issues they are heckling the forum members about. But this leeway and tolerance shown is not because they agree with what is being said by the person. It's only to let the person reveal himself completely before he is shown the door.

Banning is not a perfect solution either. You may not know that many people who have been banned earlier have come back with new usernames (nawazuddin for instance). This gives them a sort of fresh start because people don't realize that the particular poster has said all those ugly things which he could not justify and was banned on account of them. These people return, play it safe for a while and gain people's trust, then once again start the arguments from the beginning, as if all those have never been answered before. Would you want ss to acquit himself of the baggage he has gathered around himself and return under a new username, this time probably posing as an ashrafi or an attari or even a ridawi and start the same arguments over again? This also gives the false impression that more than one member shares the same opinion and therefore it must have some weight. Would you like this? Do you want to give ss a chance to done a new face and re-start the cycle?

I know ss has been trying his best to cause offence. This is called "trolling" in cyber jargon. Usually, different trolls have different amounts of time and varying levels of shame. Some don't come back after getting kicked out once. Some take a few defenestrations to make them realize that they won't be able to fool people anymore. Some are completely shameless and have any number of hours to waste. These simply keep returning under different pseudonyms.

This is the internet. A public platform where everyone gets a chance to speak his mind, no matter how stupid or foolish he may be. Have you not seen youtube and facebook comments? Did you not see the madman called 'dawaman'?

With freedom comes great responsibility. For some people, it means they can be as irresponsible as their time and energy allows them to. The majority of the world is against truth and justice. Do you not hear lies and half-truths being bandied about as gospel truth, by numberless people, foolish and cunning both, every single day? Can we shut up every obstinate imbecile and scheming jackal who propagates untruths?

In a small way, this forum is just a microcosm of the real world out there. As of now we do not have a solution to this problem.

The mature way to deal with this is to ignore the offenders and take things in one's stride.

Hope you will revise your opinions about the forum members and moderators.

wa's salaam

 

everything of me will be deleted by this. Not trace left on this forum. I dont want anything to do with it.

I request a deletion of my profile. Save the files I shared. slm

 

Thank you. why do you worry about the account, just don't come back here again. thank you again.

 

Tawbah,

He doesnt deem his his actions or deeds as done in the Ram Katha as wrong, he said it explicitly at the Urs last year. But he only does it Ihtiyatan because the Nizamuddin team told him to do.

It is like doing zina, and then claiming nothing is wrong with it, but just in case he will repent (while still considering it good). Now his Aqaaid on being it Jaaiz and so forth comes all on Nizamuddin. If it is Kufr, then Nizamuddin will be blameworthy for Rida bil Kufr, and so is Ubaid. Ubaid however will be saved since he is an utter jahil and accepted it as Hasan because Nizamuddin taught him so, but Nizamuddin wont be since he acted as a Yahudi Alim.

They try to deceive Allah but are only deceiving themselves.

[edited noori-personal attack removed] when the Noble Messenger and Allahs Deen was fouled by Nizamuddin he did not once criticize. But when "one little Lafz is said against Nizamuddin or Ram Praiser Ubaid, everyone loses their minds."

You admins are totally worthless, please admin erase my profile. Or at least show me how I can erase my profile.

 

Where is this tawba?

 

i was informed that he had done tawbah in public. i took it at face-value and did not see the need to verify. unless it is contested, i assume it to be reliable news.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

this is an accusation, we don't know what is in his heart. yes we don't agree with him and consider him with the wrong party. SS doesn't understand simple argument, yet we cannot blame for his real intention which we don't know.

yes, this is true, SS has been acting like serlock holmes, and trying to make a big issue out of plain words.

now, if you don't want to see his posts addressing you then you also should not address him, otherwise SS will be running after you, whether you like it or not.

if uka has proclaimed his tawbah then of course we cannot call him a kafir. i haven't listened to the audio that SS shared, but i can trust sidi abu hasan. however, uka's tawbah doesn't acquit mufti nizam'ud din and other signatories from their erroneous and corrupt fatwa, they certainly need to do ruju' to nip the fitnah in the bud.

 

Thank you he is now away from my view.
I will just upload new findings and docs.

Just a reminder, Nizamuddin and his team of ulama, are not interested if the Deen is harmed by their fatwa or a falsehood is attributed towards Allah and His Noble Prophet, or that his Fatwa will have as result that people will start praising Ram in Ram Kathas etc.

Their only goal is to sanctify Ubaid even if it goes at cost of the Deen, Allah and His Noble Prophets respect.
I have another audio in which he was openly addressed in Ghosi by Muhaddith e Kabeer in which he purposely kept silent when Ubaid called a Qatí heretic as a Naaib of the Prophets. He refused to criticize Ubaid on this matter and to defend the noble Messengers.

Nizamuddins servants such as SS are here only to distract from this one goal: protecting the Deen and respect for the Shariah. So if there is a Lafzi mistake all efforts is being made the topic change towards this. Ubaid is like their messiah which is worth this all. If you people have any respect for this goal of protecting the deen you are obliged to erase him. He does not contribute towards this one goal, but rather the opposite.

Make this forum rather a place where people can find these books and radd upon their Maslak-e-Raam.

PS I still have doubt whether ubaid is a kafir, but team nizamudding works in such corrupt ways it cant be traced back what ubaid meant in which context, he was instructed to mean such and so, even if he meant it otherwise. They even on behalf of him presented Tawilaat instead of retrace and interrogate him.
The only thing that matters is that our next generation are protected from what Nizamuddin attributed as a good thing towards Allah and His noble Messenger. Peace and Blessings are upon Him.

 

If the same argument comes from Abul Hasan, I shall reply.

Please excuse me in this thread. I will reply either to Noori or Abul Hasan

 

So according to your rationale, every person who commits explicit kufr or apostasy needs to have a fatwa, with his name, declaring him an apostate or a heretic or that person cannot be labelled a kafir?

P.S
I am not on anyone's 'side' but I consider myself a neutral but your temerity is quite disgusting. You need to learn some manners before addressing senior scholars, whether you like them or not.

 

I see.

No mufti has yet issued a fatwa of kufr on Obaidullah by name. Abu Hasan can think what ever he likes.
But for Abu Hasan, there is a big problem now. He was arguing in the other thread regarding usage of the term" kufr fiqhi" and " kufr kalami", and asked me to give its reference from books. Interestingly, the two books released against Mufti Niazamuddin rizvi sahab's fatwa , have used these two terms many times!!

So when a man like you, who is unaware of these terms, he thinks some one a kafir, then not that person, but you should fear for your iman.

 

i sincerely expect nizamuddin sab to do tawbah and retract from his erroneous fatwa.
i hope and pray that he does that, rather than being humiliated.

nas'alu Allaha al-aafiyah.

 

i don't have to do tawbah. i considered obaidullah a kafir after what he did in his ramkatha AND after listening to the full audio. i don't consider him kafir now, as he has done tajdid iman (assuming he didn't lapse back into morari bapus arms).

as for nizamuddin and his camp.




wa billahi't tawfiq.

 

As Noori has said " for others to see".

So I hope, all those who have real interest to " see", they can read this thread and " see"

http://sunniport.com/index.php?thre...s-of-abu-hasans-posts-obaidullah-issue.12699/


In one of the post on this forum Abul Hasan sahab said" Kufr did not return". ( he was pointing about those who issued fatwa of kufr)

In sha Allah, will start a new thread , again to show fiqh of Abul Hasan. Bhai sahab, aaram se rahiye.

 

I know you are busy with work and so am I . I am not saying that not replying does not mean going silent for ever. Take your time and so will I. When you get time, please reply. Thank you for not banning me.

And as I understand , you will ban me only if I go against your forum rules. In sha Allah, that shall not happen.

Just don't delete my threads. You can chose not to answer, like here

http://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/not-fit-for-leading-prayers.12730/

Your not answering here does not mean , you are answerless. It is just that you don't have time. In sha Allah, later

 

no sir. i left you raving like a madman, because you are incapable of understanding a simple argument.
i don't want to waste my time with someone like you - you are incapable of understanding 'simple' english.

i was only telling you something you didn't know. read the passage from mawaqif. it may do you some good.

wa billahi't tawfiq.

 

you are really amusing SS. but anyway, i will come back after a while, meanwhile you can rejoice and claim that guys went silent . still, we won't ban you inshaAllah for everyone to see the truth.

 

You were answered here

http://sunniport.com/index.php?thre...s-of-abu-hasans-posts-obaidullah-issue.12699/

Re read it, especially your references from tamhid and other works of Ala hazrat.

In case you find that you have a habit of quoting one rule in your book and applying different when asked to prove, then here is another of your hall mark:


http://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/sayyiduna-ameer-muawiyah-رضي-الله-ﺗﻌﺎﻟﯽٰ-عنه.13051/

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As I said, you need to publicly make tawba for calling a muslim kafir by name, when no Mufti did it. May your ego not prevent you from not doing so. ameen