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  1. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    this is why good leadership is important for Muslims. it's useless for individuals to text friends and families to stop using google or facebook or coke and so on.

    the leader on the other hand can take massive action with one move. (i'm speaking just about this specific move and it's awesome, regardless of how good or bad the Turkish administration is)

    meanwhile, see the love and gheyrah here.


    from this article -
  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  3. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    These blasphemers were not lunatics; they were hard-core fanatics and zealots. Lunatics hardly act in unison, but these zealots openly tried to dare execution. It is a historical fact, widely chronicled by Muslim and Christian historians alike.

    I am not trying to absolve Hanson and his dubious research methods to use historical facts to justify his points.
  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    hanson is an expert writer when it comes to delivering exactly the opinion he wants to deliver, by inserting words very carefully and calculatingly, with carefully planned and crafted implications and extrapolations. This is one of the reasons zanadiq like him are harder to nab than open murtads.

    as unbeknown said, see how he uses the word "historically" in the start as if to imply a generality and then proceeds to present Spain as one example. If Spain was a one off in the history of Islam, hanson has effectively and generously made a generality out of it.
  5. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    from what I have heard (don't remember where), these were indeed lunatics not sane people whom the rulers labelled as lunatics just to avoid punishing them.

    In any case, he did not restrict it to Spain but began by saying "historically" which gives the impression that blasphemers have rarely been executed and that too grudgingly - I think the game he is playing is: he's trying to absolve today's rulers of the blame of not condemning/punishing/calling for punishing these blasphemers. Did gazi bin talal pay him to write this?
  6. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Not substantially different from my earlier post on this thread. I have only read/heard about blasphemers doing so in street corners (don't know about their blaspheming in the masajids). Initially these blasphemers were promptly executed but as the blasphemers grew in number, Muslim rulers started ignoring blasphemy.
  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    disclaimer: just linking to one solitary post. i do not know much about this woman's religious opinions. she's not a spokesperson for religion anyways and at times her sarcasm forays into bizarre beliefs, notwithstanding colorful language.
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    hanson's comments are similar in tone to thanvi's comments. of course mark hanson is only comparing the ummah in general to animals, whereas thanvi exceeded even that, wal 3eyadhu billah. in any case, both are utterances of kufr, thanvi's being a worst and open blasphemy making him a kafir.

    notice how he is speaking from "their" side in a very subtle and nuanced manner.

    it's like a basketball coach yelling at his own team. "wadood, you didn't pass the ball thinking you could score from half-court. well this is what you get for playing like an over confident lunatic. you gave possession of the ball to the other team"

    and then later on he mentions afghanistan and iraq too, just to make sure he also shows he's on "our" side too.

    never forget:


    if you wanna comment make sure you only sing a qaseeda for mark hanson or pay upfront for a course or two under his tutelage. his staff has provided the guidelines. hilarious

  9. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    This is a claim by abdal hakim murad. But wherever in the Islamic World, except for the West, there are protests by the patient mainstream against Charlie Hebdo blasphemers. So abdal hakim murad is plain lying.
  10. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    this piece by Hamza Yusuf is distasteful. He is generalizing on other Muslims [ not the American or Canadian Muslim ] as being comparable to animals. Charlie Hebdo poked animals and got stung. This is the message i got.

    How come the general public dont find Hamza Yusuf's comments obnoxious? Are they that blind in North America? or is it part of adab to keep quiet
  11. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    so muslim rulers deliberately shielded blasphemers? can this accusation be substantiated? and do I notice a tone of approval in his wording? what else can we expect from the promoter of dante?
  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    it appears that the cowards found courage a little later when jewish intellectuals such as norman finkelstein spoke out against hebdo's scoundrels.

    shame on these supine, snivelling 'leaders'.
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  13. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    it seems it's not in this guy's fate to ever utter a word of decency for Islam and Muslims

    ps. in my opinion, hanson is writing this piece and mentioning the iraq, afghan etc situation only to keep his mask on. remember, he belongs to "us as well as them" and this time if he doesn't win "our" sympathy by talking about Palestine and so on, it will expose him as belonging only to "them".


    tim winter's 2 p's here:
  14. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    see the comments.
  15. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

  16. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

  17. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    Read The Killer Mistake
  18. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

  19. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    quite a website they've got there!

    moriarty, your comments? :)
  20. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    An article on tyranny of demand on Muslims to apologise.

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