Qur'an on 'Geocentricity' and a 'Flat Earth'

Brother abu Hasan can you please say what is the legal rulling on the muslim boys who studied the modern scientific theories about the earth revolves around the sun.

 

I've only just listened to that video. Assume the person doesn't believe the earth being stationary is dharooriyat Al Deen since he says it's close to kufr but not kufr. Would he believe it to be dharooriyat ahl Al Sunnah then at least? And if so, who preceded him in such a categorisation? And if not, then how is it important enough that believing in it is close to kufr yet it's not even bidah?

There's literally a crisis of faith out there and this is what people are doing...

Taking tertiary issues and talking about them as if they're primary issues is also something that turns a lot of the youth away, seperate from the issue of geocentricity etc.

 

come to think of it, now that Fatawa Ridawiyya has been takhreej-ed -

let alone the masail, the fiqhi insights, and ahadith contained therein -

it will be a magnificent course on it's own for an aalim to to just get the names of all the references Ala Hazrat has used, names of authors, subject of book, mazhab of author, contents/topics covered in the book, topics where Ala Hazrat referenced the book, and so on - and give a briefing to people - scholars and commoners alike.

a sort of a reverse engineering project from FR to compile some Sunni bibliography and topic index, a reference book or almanac of sorts; above and beyond populating a 6000 line excel sheet!

such a course will help many many people and even catch their interest in Islamic sciences, above and beyond the few fools we see in "academia"!

 

People already have weak imaan so not sure why they teach this position to the public, they shouldn't be doing it UNLESS they can talk about frames of reference, epistemology, philosophy of science (occam's razor, theory congruity and various other underpinning principles etc) in which case it's a good example to actually teach the limitations of empirical observations.
Throw in some discussion on things like model dependent realism as Stephen hawking wrote about: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-dependent_realism

And then you would have an absolutely fantastic lecture. If you can't discuss this properly, however, better to not discuss this at all. The state and nature of a people and the context we're living in must always be taken into account but some scholars are living in an alternate reality or so it seems- and I'm not talking about multi verse theory.

 

it is NOT a qat3i issue.

he has said very smartly "can lead to kufr". what does that even mean?

the maulvi doesn't know what he's talking about or he's too eager to be more Ahmad Raza than Ala Hazrat himself! there's a lot of overzealous super-tanatan Barelwi "ulama" who try to act like bigger Ala Hazrats than Imam Ahmad Raza himself!

ignore them and move on!

if you have the time and/or inclination and/or reach to this gent, ask him if he understands what frames of reference are and what is heliocentricity and geocentricity and start from there.

also, like how politicians thrive on controversy and sensationalism, a lot of maulvis do too. Kaukab Noorani too for example will bring this point (stationary earth) out of nowhere and show his expertise on Maslake Raza and how a guy who doesn't believe in this is gumrah.

i only wish if all these maulvis could dig up the N number of fiqhi masail Ala Hazrat clarified and discussed in his Fatawa Ridawiyya and bring them to the fore for the masses - other than the selected few masail and naats we all know about - radd of devbandis, blasting the 4 tawaghit with colorfuls (but never teach even elementary aqidah and kalam), stationary earth, fazail and karamaat of awliyaa as means to fulfill vain desires of us duniyadar folk (Allah forbid if we ever study their siyar and teach the awam their steadfastness on deen), rock concert naatkhwani, naarebazi... etc.

 

There's one thing I am having a hard time understanding, that is that is the belief of heliocentricism kufr or not. As some other brothers asked here.

I found this video where it states that it may lead to kufr, but I don't know what to say. Majority of the world I think believes in heliocentricism and if this was a Qat'i issue, it shouldn't be limited to forums like sunniport. I am having a hard time finding other Sunni discussions, scholars talking about this in a serious manner and except the video below, I couldn't find any other video or a statement that says it may lead to kufr or it is kufr

 

Came across this Twitter thread, just sharing if anyone's interested

The Earth is Not Stationary [The First proof] 🧵

The Mufassir, Shaykh Muḥammad ‘Alī aṣ-Ṣābūnī [d. 1442]:

We find in the Noble Qur’ān clear evidence supporting what modern science has discovered - 1/22 pic.twitter.com/kytSrVcNAD

— Zayn al-‘Ābidīn al-Ḥanafī (@IbnFirdos) September 28, 2025

 

salam
You're gonna hate me for this hazrat.

But did you mean "merely" to mean that if they just believe that the earth moves but don't go any further, which could be to believe in its rotation but not that it goes around the sun?

Or did you mean "merely" to imply that this is not a big issue.

I am asking because I did read the following but it is an old comment and I thought that perhaps hazrat's opinion changed and brother umar99 sent a fatwa which, probably I misunderstood, could be implying that it is rejection of the Qur'an.

 

no.
i.e. for merely believing that the earth moves.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

Brother, I believe that the Earth is stationary. I hold the same view as Alahazrat. My question is not about what science says. All I want to know is whether takfeer is declared on all of those who differ which includes school, colleges, university students and even the local public. I simply want to know is that whether those people will be treated as Muslims, that there is even a little bit possibility of taweel, as I cannot decide this myself since I am not a scholar.

 

did you read the entire thread and all the referenced books, articles, blogs, etc. (Islamic as well as secular science)?

 

Ghulam Rasool Saeedi in Tafsir Tibyan-ul-Quran wrote that the Earth is not Stationary. Is this position kufr.
The link is down below and page number is 378. (I believe that the Earth is Stationary)

https://archive.org/details/TafsirT...uranJ6/page/n377/mode/2up?q=زمین&view=theater

 

https://x.com/has147_/status/1879930037878894982

Damascene scholar wishes he knew Urdu so that he could translate Fawz-i Mubin into Arabic

 

Ala hazrat about the earth being spherical :

فتاوی رضویہ جلد 6 صفحہ 99 پر ہے:

ثالثاً یہ کہ اگر یہ شرط لگائی جائے تو درست نہیں ہوگی کیونکہ انتقال خط مستقیم پر ممکن نہیں ہے اس لئے کہ قطع کرنے والا خط کعبہ کا استقبال کرنے والے کے دائیں اور بائیں دونوں طرف فضا میں ایک قدم کے فاصلہ سے گزرے گا
کیونکہ زمین کروی یعنی گول ہے
اور انتقال کرنے والا صرف ایک دائرہ پر انتقال کرے گا ، اب اگر وہ عین کعبہ کا استقبال کرتے ہوئے اپنی جہت کو محفوظ رکھتے ہوئے اس دائرہ پر دائیں یا بائیں انتقال کرے تو یقینااس کی پیشانی سے نکلنے والاخط کعبہ پر سے عرض میں گزرنے والے خط کو دو۲ قائموں پر قطع نہیں کرے گا،کما لا یخفی۔
فتاوی رضویہ جلد 29 صفحہ 159:

ثالثاً زمین کروی یعنی گول ہے اور اس کی ہر طرف آبادی ثابت ہوئی ہے اور بحمداﷲ ہر جگہ اسلام پہنچا ہوا ہے نئی پرانی دنیائیں سب محمد رسول اللہ صلی اللہ تعالٰی علیہ وسلم کے کلمے سے گونج رہی ہیں شریعتِ مطہرہ تمام بقاع کو عام ہے۔

For the Dalail read :
حبیب الفتاوی جلد 4 سوال نمبر 6 19

 

The Imām unambiguously said in one of his books: "The earth is spherical."

 

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Popular science channel "Science Asylum" on centricity as a point of convenience:

 

https://sapienceinstitute.org/does-the-quran-say-the-earth-is-flat/

 

Umar sir did you there is a professor and teacher of geocentrism name is Robert sungenis he even made a movie debunking the nasa lies that earth revolve the sun the move name is the principle 2014) but Umar sir I just understand that earth is startionary and it is the truth but I just confusion about whether the scholars only give the startionary earth or flat earth also because this is not possible.