Qur'an on 'Geocentricity' and a 'Flat Earth'

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  1. Abdul Mustafa 786

    Abdul Mustafa 786 Active Member

    I don't have a reference at the moment but I'm 200% sure that Science has discovered that the sun is not stationary but has its own orbit.

    Have you heard of the Big Bang Theory? Scientists say that the universe has an age i.e. once upon a time there existed NO UNIVERSE and then the Big Bang occurred and the universe expanded from a point of light in intense motion (Nur-e-Muhammad SallAllahu 'Alayhi Wasallam). But before Atheists had this argument that the universe was always here and will always be here! Science has proved them wrong: the universe was not always here and will not always be here. Also research the Big Crunch - the universe has been expanding since Big Bang but Big Crunch is coming where Unniverse will be no more.

    The booklet "Foundations of Faith" by Hazrat Molana Dr. Fazlur Rahman Ansari al-Qadri R.A. is an absolute MUST READ book (it destroys the fallacies of Atheism): http://fazlurrahmanansari.org/media/foundations of faith.pdf

    Also see:
    Through Science and philosophy to religion by Hazrat Molana Dr. Fazlur Rahman Ansari al-Qadri R.A.: http://fazlurrahmanansari.org/media/Through Science and philosophy to religion.pdf
  2. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    I wish to point out ONE thing here: if the sun is revolving around the earth, it follows that the ENTIRE UNIVERSE is actually revolving around the earth. And Allah is CAPABLE of this.

    And ALLAH knows best.
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  3. Great News!

    That Kaafir finally accepted! And the reason that I presented was simply what my brothers here gave. If Science hasn't discovered something yet or is wrong on some point, it does not mean that You can contradict Islam!

    One more simple reason. When Thomson's model of Atom was proposed, it was accepted widely, until it was contradicted by Rutherford, who again was contradicted by Niels Bohr. Even today's model has many flaws.!

    And He was left speechless.

    Sub'haan Allah. Glorified is Allah who Has Created The Entire Universe so perfect!

    Thank you All of You!
  4. @ Brother Abdul Qadir - Brother, If I made a wrong statement I apologise. But please can you clarify about from the Works of The Ulama of Ahl-us-Sunnah that Islam believes in a "Spherical Earth"?

    @brother Aqib - I am in no mood of fighting and will never fight with a sincere brother like you. I liked your reason that tomorrow science can contradict itself, and establish a Geocentric Model of The Universe/Solar System.

    More inputs will really prove to be helpful.

    Jazaa Allahu Khairan
  5. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    Even if science says that the earth rotates on its own axis, there is NOT a single verse of the Holy Quran that this premise DIRECTLY negates.

    The verses that say the earth is 'stationery' - come with the added words 'for you'. So it is stationery "for us". We do not sense its movement - I am not debating whether the earth is actually moving or not.

    So, in effect, the atheist is WRONG in claiming that the Holy Qur'an says that "sun is revolving around the earth".

    As brother Noori pointed out, science may one day come with a different opinion - but the words of Allah will never change. Whether the earth is rotating or the sun revolving around it, the words of the Qur'an are perfectly true in both senses i.e. the earth is stationery 'for us'.

    and Allah knows best.
  6. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    i bet if you, and majority here on this forum can even read ala-hazrat's scientific works, i really couldn't. you cannot even make out of one single page, try reading fawz al-mubeen. ala-hazrat did say that earth is stationary and sun revolves around it, BUT this is what he derived from Quranic verses, there is no verse which says verbatim that the sun revolves around the earth. so, sayyiduna ala-hazrat alaihi rahma wa riDwan may or may not be wrong in his research.

    science keeps changing its positions, we don't know that after some time in future scientists may claim otherwise, but for now almost everybody believes in what science claims and have evidences for it.
  7. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    Dear brother Hasan,

    I did NOT mean to challenge you or anyone or to be sarcastic. So do not hastily reply in a tone, that smacks of audacity or considers others illiterate.

    I asked for a specific proof - unqualified wordings - from the Holy Quran. Because an athiest challenged you, by claiming this. Please send me the proof I asked.
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Brother Hassan, where does Ala Hazrat say the earth is flat?

    Your enthusiasm and love is very respectable, but brother please before commenting on things of this sort, make sure you understand the topic from all angles - Quran, hadith, words of scholars, and scientific too.

    Otherwise you will just stuff your foot in your mouth and inadvertently cause people to walk away from Maslak-e-Ahle-Sunnat. If you do not have all the bases covered from a knowledge point of view, you're best off not arguing with atheists or anyone and just minding your own business.
  9. Dear Brother Aqib

    Are you still Unaware of this fact? Have you not Read the Qur'an or at the very least gone through the works of A'ala Hazrat?
  10. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    Dear brother Hasan,

    Where does it say in the Holy Qur'an that the Sun revolves around the Earth or that the Earth is Flat?
  11. Assalaamu 'Alaikum

    I think the issue of Flat Earth has already been discussed once. But Still I would like to discuss both of them together. I was recently questioned by an atheist who asked me the Position of Qur'an on Geocentricity. I said that it is true! Then he asked me "The whole world today knows that The Sun is the Centre and The Earth revolves around it. Now is it not that your Qur'an has been contradicted?" I was quiet. For at that time I could not answer him.

    Can anyone please provide arguments to counter attack him?

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