Sayyidah e Kayinat

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  1. AbuSulayman

    AbuSulayman Banned

    Sayyidah e kainaat means 'mistress of the universe'. Sunni aqida is that she is the greatest woman ever. no prophets have been female. angels are genderless. so why does it bother you?
    not a single sunni scholar in pakistan or india or anywhere has objected to this before. the only logical conclusion therefore is what shaykh nabeel has come to!

    aH, why did you remove this post? what is the rifd in it? or is it jab jawaab nahin aata you delete? i swear a qasam i am not a rafizi (hater of sahaba and one who curses them) so you will be taken to task on yawm al qayamah for slander.
  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    rafizis post removed.
  3. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    I have never heard this before - "[Sayyidah] Fatima (radiAllahu anha) asks for shafaat for everyone ... for the sake of the blood of [Imam] Hussain (radiAllahu anhuma)". What's your textual source?
  4. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @abu Hasan With this particular point they will just play on emotions and unfortunately our Sunnis will buy it because the term is used in a widespread manner.

    As mentioned before, better to academically tackle the daleel the likes of Sh Nabeel put forward. This will both show the reality of Sh Nabeel and the situation.
  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    astaghfirullah. the rafizi poison is spreading into nabeel and he needs antidote quickly. using a novel expression that cannot be justified and trying to blackmail that if we do not accept such exaggerations, we are somehow denigrating them.

    next nabeel will claim that ahl al-bayt are greater than prophets and if we point out he will whine that we are doing takhfif e shan of ahl al-bayt.

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  6. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    We ask Sh Nabeel to apologise to the Sunni Public to think it is right and proper to use filthy language against a Sunni Scholar, to pass a faulty takfeeri fatwa on them and get them arrested. The injustice being done to Jalali Sahib and sunni principles that have been played fast and loose with has either been defended by Sh Nabeel or swept under the carpet. You can only fool the Sunni public for so long and when the truth comes out, we will await your apology and retraction.

    You hold Jalali Sahib and his (many) supporters to one standard and Shah sahib to another standard and that is what the crux of the issue.

    Few years ago the same beliefs that Shah Sahib were saying that are Shia beliefs are today used against Sunnis to charge them Nasabism.

    If you can't be objective, just stay quiet because soon that time is coming where the truth will come out.
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i tried hard to find the expression "sayyidah e ka'inat" in sunni literature from 50 years ago and beyond. can we try to find examples? arabic books, i am pretty sure there isn't any; try urdu books as well.

    post them here if you find them.
  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    nabeel seems to have no clue of language intricacies and how certain words are used for istighraq, and some others have leeway for contextual interpretation. try saying these:

    al-siddiq al-akbar fi'l ka'inat
    al-faruq al-a'azam fi'l ka'inat
    ashja' al-ashja'in fi'l ka'inat
    imam al-ai'mmatka'inat
    al-ghawth al-a'azam li'l ka'inat
    imam al-a'azam fi'l ka'inat

    would you say this?

    as for sayyidah taHirah zahra'a batul, raDiyAllahu anha, she is sayyidatu nisa'a al-a'alamin. when the taq'yid is mentioned in hadith, who are you to remove it? worse still, you are inventing a new phrase and attributing it to nabi alayhi's salatu wa's salam!

    mawla e ka'inat could be interpreted in context as i have mentioned elsewhere.

    thaqalayn: two big groups. not "both worlds". this is also open to interpretation.

    when the hadith says: "khayru'n nas" - doesn't mean "naas" or people of every age; similarly thaqalayn means thaqalayn of his time onward.

    Allah knows best.
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  9. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Nabeel Afzal sahib wrote:

    So, I was right. The next target would be Maula Kainaat Ali ul Murtadha رضی اللہ عنہ۔ - One should refrain from calling Sayyida Fatima, Sayyida Kainaat & refrain from calling Maula Ali, Maula Kainaat.
    The reason this person gives is that it makes them higher than the Prophets & Angels علیھم السلام as they are part of the Kainaat.

    There is a basic Qa'idah (Rule) where some words are understood with exemption. No Sunni on earth when saying Maula Kainaat or Sayyida Kainaat would regard these 2 illustrious personalities to be higher then RusoolAllah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم or the Prophets of Allah علیھم السلام۔. All status is given because of The Messenger of Allah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم۔

    If we were to apply this there would be no where to stop.

    For Sayyiduna Abu Bakr we say - Shehenshahe Sadaqat [The King of Truth] & Sideeq e Akbar [The greatest truthful one] but isnt Rusool Allah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم The King and master of Sidq, Truthfulness.

    For Sayyiduna Umar we say Farooq e Azam (The greatest distinguisher between Truth & Falsehood) - But wernt Rusool Allah & The prophets علیھم السلام greater in differenciating between Haq & Batil.

    For Sayyiduna Ali Ala Hazrat refers to him as اشجع الاشجعین (The bravest of the bravest) - But surely RusoolAllah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم was The bravest.

    For Imam Abu Hanifa we say Imam A'dham (The greatest Imam) & Imam ul A'ima (The Imam of all Imams) but was he a greater Imam than the companions.

    Sayyiduna Shaykh Abdul Qadir is referred to as Ghauth ul A'dham (The greatest helper) & Ghauth usSaqalayn (The helper of both worlds) but Surely The Sahaba & Anbiya are greater helpers.

    Imam Ahmed Raza Khan is referred to as Ala Hazrat (The highest person/scholar) but surely there are many greater.

    Like this we can go on for days with examples. This was a silly issue to begin and there was no need to make this a topic of discussion.

    This clearly shows an attempt to do Takhfeef uShaan (Lighter/lower the honour) of The Ahlul Bayt. A person with knowledge which are told to believe he is would not make such an error or an attempt.

    We ask for a retraction and apology to the Sunni public for an attempt to misguide them.

    May Allah keep us on the love of The Ahlul bayt & Companions. Ameen.

    Mohammed Nabeel Afzal Qadri
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  10. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    if nabeel is reading this, isn't it ironic that a while ago your pir sayyid muhammad irfan shah mashadi used to accuse tafzilis of calling him nasibi and now you are doing the same thing?

    thorasa to sharam karo.
  11. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    : )
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  12. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @abu Hasan has mentioned that he is busy for a few days so Sh Nabeel thought this is the best time to disparage him, so when he does academically respond to Sh Nabeel's mistakes, it won't affect his fan base because he is a 'Nasabi'.
  13. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @abu Hasan has mentioned that he is busy for a few days so Sh Nabeel thought this is the best time to disparage him, so when he does academicall
  14. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Nabeel Afzal sahib wrote:

    *Another example of hatred towards Ahlul Bayt.*

    _"We should *not* use Sayyida Kainaat for Sayyida Fatima"_

    This person by the name of *Abu Hassan* who has nothing better to do than to sit behind a hidden identity and target Ullema, Mashaikh & Sadaat online has now gone one step further and targeted Sayyida Kainaat Fatima Zahra رضی اللہ عنھا۔

    Kainaat in Urdu/Farsi means Universe. There are ample narrations where the Messenger of Allah ﷺ has declared Sayyida Fatima رضی اللہ عنھا as not only as Sayyida of the universe but of the next world also.

    *_أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم قَالَ وَ هُوَ فِي مَرَضِهِ الَّذِي تُوُفِّيَ فِيْهِ : يَا فَاطِمَة، ألَاَ تَرْضَيْنَ أَنْ تَکُوْنِي سَيِّدَة نِسَاءِ الْعَالَمِيْنَ وَ سِيِّدَة نِسَاءِ هَذِهِ الْأُمَّة وَ سَيِّدَة نِسَاءِ الْمُؤْمِنيْنَ._* [رَوَاهُ النَّسَائِيُّ وَالْحَاکِمُ]

    The Messenger of Allah ﷺ said:

    *_O Fatima, Are you not pleased that You are The Leader (Sayyida) of the women of The Universe (Kainaat), The Leader of the women of this nation and the Leader of the believing women?_*
    [Nisai, Ibn Majah & Hakim]

    Next Sayyiduna Maula Kainaat Ali ul Murtadha رضی اللہ عنہ will be attacked for being called Mawla e Kainaat.

    Such statements are due to either inadequacies in studying or due to animosity towards the Ahlul Bayt.

    The Prophet ﷺ is Sayyidul Awwaleen wal Akhireen, Sayyidul Anbiya wal Mursaleen & Sayyidul Alameen - *Sayyida Fatima Zahra received her honour due to her being the noble daughter of RusoolAllah ﷺ, So how silly it is to compare.*

    _May Allah grant us the ability to honour and respect The beloved Household & beloved Companions of RusoolAllah ﷺ and protect us from this filth of Nasaibiyyat which is creeping in to the lines of Sunnis. Ameen._

    *_Mohammed Nabeel Afzal Qadri Irfani_*
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