Fadak and khatā

Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by AR Ahmed, Apr 4, 2023.

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  1. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    I have seen pictures and a video of Syed Irfan Shah sharing a stage with Syed Riaz Shah, Hanif Qureshi and Iqbal Chisti. Syed Riaz Shah has openly attacked the nara 'Har Sahabi Jannati', which is an indirect reference to his rejection of the Karachi rally.

    In another video Syed Muzaffar Hussain Shah uses harsh words for Riaz Shah but then praises Syed Irfan Shah as a reliable syed.

    Need to clarify their stances, all of them
  2. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

  3. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    mashaAllah, May Allah Ta'ala give him more barakah; however, he could have stated all that in 5 minutes, too much repetition, and personal attacks.
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  4. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Alhamdulillah, finally somebody else picking up the fact (at 1:16 in the video) where Irfan Shah did the heresy of associating a big aib such as gaali to Allah TaAllah!

    He will never be even a speck of dust compared to Imam Ghazali (ra) to be conferred upon titles such a "Hujjatul Islam" by blind mureeds!

    P. S. Sometimes I ponder why it is typically Pakistani peers to have been conferred upon all these lofty titles!
  5. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

  6. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    In sha Allah, we can see a similar stage again. Although, it seems very unlikely at the moment.
  7. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    Allamah Khadim Hussain Rizvi (Hafidhahullah) also present
  8. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    this made me tear up a bit...Allamah Ashraf Asif Jalali (Hafidhahullah) looking very dignified, and full of humility, sitting between the two Sayyids...unfortunate how things have now become...

    انا لله و انا اليه راجعون
  9. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    I didn't know Irfan Shah also did neochawar on naats. Just saw this video

  10. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

  11. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    The cause of the (planned) arrest is apparently to derail the conference that is due to take place in Peshawar today. That is why they wanted to arrest Ameeni sahib too.

    My guess is probably because they will speak on the Khalid Khan issue because he is from Peshawar. The establishment don't want another Mumtaz Qadri like movement.
  12. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    It seems day before yesterday there was a peaceful protest.

    Yesterday for some reason (day after the peaceful protest) the establishment tries to arrest Khadim Hussain Rizvi sahab, but they couldn't due to the strong crowd numbers present around his mosque.

    Right now Khadim Hussain sahab is in an undisclosed location. NOT under arrest.

    The establishment neither has an FIR against him nor an arrest warrant. They want to arrest him just for kicks!

    That's the word on the street in Pak.
  13. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    That's what the caption says. It could be an arrest attempt too, but the video is from today afaik, not yesterday when they surrounded his mosque. Allahu a3lam. Let's ask And update.
  14. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Are you sure Rizvi Sahib has been arrested because I heard that the police as of yet have been unable to arrest him.
  15. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Khadim Hussain sahab was arrested this morning

    Count the amount of cop cars and bikes of Lahore police's "elite" dolphin force that they used to restrain just 1 old man in a wheelchair!

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  16. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @AbdalQadir: I think pir Ghufran Syalwi was right. These are political moves with the intention of decimating the Sunni bank vote. Just a shame that our akabir just keep squabbling amongst themselves.
  17. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Shafiq Amini sahab has been arrested too and police has cordoned off Khadim Hussain sahab's masjid.

    I think this is some deep rooted rafidi plot, and Irfan Shah just did a major injustice to his own soul by being used as a tool of the Rawafid. Jalali and Khadim Hussain would have been targeted regardless of what they did or didn't say about Fadak. Just my opinion.

  18. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  19. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    I too wanted to post this, but decided against it, as these Rawafid will have more room to duck and dive with another topic introduced. They're incapable of understanding comparisons and like all Ahlul bid3ah don't know what evidence is
  20. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider اللَه المقدر والعالم شؤون لا تكثر لهمك ما قدر يكون

    I know it's not exactly relevant, but since these neo-tafzilis, have opened this can of worms, I'd like to know , since "they don't ascribe "khata -e-ijtihadi" to Ahlul Bayt, particularly Sayyidah Nisa e Jannah (May Allah be pleased with her) , how are these Tafzlilis to reconcile the incident which gave Sayyiduna Ali one of his favorite nickname's (Abu Turab):

    حَدَّثَنَا خَالِدُ بْنُ مَخْلَدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا سُلَيْمَانُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي أَبُو حَازِمٍ، عَنْ سَهْلِ بْنِ سَعْدٍ، قَالَ إِنْ كَانَتْ أَحَبَّ أَسْمَاءِ عَلِيٍّ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ إِلَيْهِ لأَبُو تُرَابٍ، وَإِنْ كَانَ لَيَفْرَحُ أَنْ يُدْعَى بِهَا، وَمَا سَمَّاهُ أَبُو تُرَابٍ إِلاَّ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم غَاضَبَ يَوْمًا فَاطِمَةَ فَخَرَجَ فَاضْطَجَعَ إِلَى الْجِدَارِ إِلَى الْمَسْجِدِ، فَجَاءَهُ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَتْبَعُهُ، فَقَالَ هُوَ ذَا مُضْطَجِعٌ فِي الْجِدَارِ فَجَاءَهُ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَامْتَلأَ ظَهْرُهُ تُرَابًا، فَجَعَلَ النَّبِيُّ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَمْسَحُ التُّرَابَ عَنْ ظَهْرِهِ يَقُولُ ‏ "‏ اجْلِسْ يَا أَبَا تُرَابٍ ‏"‏‏.

    Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 6204
    In-book reference : Book 78, Hadith 228
    USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 8, Book 73, Hadith 223

    حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْعَزِيزِ، - يَعْنِي ابْنَ أَبِي حَازِمٍ - عَنْ أَبِي، حَازِمٍ عَنْ سَهْلِ بْنِ سَعْدٍ، قَالَ اسْتُعْمِلَ عَلَى الْمَدِينَةِ رَجُلٌ مِنْ آلِ مَرْوَانَ - قَالَ - فَدَعَا سَهْلَ بْنَ سَعْدٍ فَأَمَرَهُ أَنْ يَشْتِمَ عَلِيًّا - قَالَ - فَأَبَى سَهْلٌ فَقَالَ لَهُ أَمَّا إِذْ أَبَيْتَ فَقُلْ لَعَنَ اللَّهُ أَبَا التُّرَابِ ‏.‏ فَقَالَ سَهْلٌ مَا كَانَ لِعَلِيٍّ اسْمٌ أَحَبَّ إِلَيْهِ مِنْ أَبِي التُّرَابِ وَإِنْ كَانَ لَيَفْرَحُ إِذَا دُعِيَ بِهَا ‏.‏ فَقَالَ لَهُ أَخْبِرْنَا عَنْ قِصَّتِهِ لِمَ سُمِّيَ أَبَا تُرَابٍ قَالَ جَاءَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم بَيْتَ فَاطِمَةَ فَلَمْ يَجِدْ عَلِيًّا فِي الْبَيْتِ فَقَالَ ‏"‏ أَيْنَ ابْنُ عَمِّكِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَقَالَتْ كَانَ بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَهُ شَىْءٌ فَغَاضَبَنِي فَخَرَجَ فَلَمْ يَقِلْ عِنْدِي فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم لإِنْسَانٍ ‏"‏ انْظُرْ أَيْنَ هُوَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَجَاءَ فَقَالَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ هُوَ فِي الْمَسْجِدِ رَاقِدٌ ‏.‏ فَجَاءَهُ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَهُوَ مُضْطَجِعٌ قَدْ سَقَطَ رِدَاؤُهُ عَنْ شِقِّهِ فَأَصَابَهُ تُرَابٌ فَجَعَلَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَمْسَحُهُ عَنْهُ وَيَقُولُ ‏"‏ قُمْ أَبَا التُّرَابِ قُمْ أَبَا التُّرَابِ ‏"‏ ‏.

    I mean if Khata-e-ijtihadi can never occur (according to these tafzlilis, or Mahfooz is to be understood as the same as Ma'soom) how does one "EXPLAIN," this incident , by the way there is no way out for these tafzilis, because If they take Sayyidatul Nisa al Jannah's side then where does that Leave Sayyiduna Ali, and vice versa.

    Reference : Sahih Muslim 2409
    In-book reference : Book 44, Hadith 59
    USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 31, Hadith 5924

    The only escape for these tafzilis is to reject the two hadithayn (like the SHIA blatantly do).
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