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  1. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    JazakAllah Sidi @Noori for attaching this.
  2. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator


    Attached Files:

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  3. Waqar786

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    @shahnawazgm Jazakallah Sidi for letting me know. Has the 'Alaamiya' with the aqeeda points and attestations been made public. In the video Mufti Sahib is reading from his phone so is there a link to this document?
  4. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    AFAIK they haven't released a video. It is just an attestation to the points of aqueeda mentioned.
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  5. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @Sunni Jaag @shahnawazgm sidis do you have a link to the meeting in Jamia Naeemia? Did the organisers release a public video?
  6. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    @Sunni Jaag Do you where I could find the original video of this meeting?
  7. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

    ulama of India mentioned here

  8. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Really need to draw a line under the matter. The issue has been clarified so time to move on for all parties.
  9. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

    100 Major Ulema of Pakistan endorse Dr Jalali view.
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  10. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    The rules of the munazara are being set. The two parties have met and Munawwar Shah Bukhari is the facilitator for the debate.

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  11. Waqar786

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    Syed Munawwar Bukhari is better advised to return to the UK and concentrate on their Hajj/Umrah Travel business.

    Shah Sahib returning to the UK is a moot point as in recent years, they have spent the majority of their time in Pakistan.
  12. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Second part has now come up.

    The point I raised earlier was the lack of fear in swearing on Allah and the Quran. You can see in this clip that Munawwar Shah swears on the Quran that all the "Sunnis" in the world are with Irfan Shah.

    It is not a light matter swearing on the Quran and its a big disrespect. Is Munawwar Shah trying to imply that the vast majority of Sunnis who know that the Irfani tola are wrong and sided with tafzilis are actually not sunni any more? I believe this is what he is implying!

    We know the old saying "akhsar jhoota baat baat mein qasm khata hai"!

    Zero daleels, just emotional qasms....

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  13. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Maybe at the very start and Maulana Inran shahid alludes to this, Shah sahib was willing to sort this out quietly. However, things changed when they reached Pakistan. There are conflicting reports from both camps about why a meeting between Jalali Sahib and Shah Sahib did not materialise.

    Syed Munawwar Bukhari and co are now in a very difficult position as the Sunni public has favoured Jalali Sahib. Seems like a futile final stand as they look to quietly retreat back to the UK.
  14. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    So now we have Irfan Shah's UK sidekick Munawwar Shah Bukhari of Sadat travels challenging on this masala. The guy says on camera that if what he says is not true then "May Allah cause him to die on kufr"! He even swears on the Quran that Irfan Shah tried to solve this behind closed doors!

    These people have no shame! This Munawwar Bukhari has fallen so low, I think they are competing amongst themselves who stoops to the lowest. No shame at all, only thing they know is tell everyone "we are Sayyeds, we are the rakhwalas of the religion" and then blatantly swear using the Holy Quran!

  15. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

    Listen from 10 - 25 minutes. Emphatic response to Rafidhi Tola.
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  16. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Irfan Shah has lost his credibility altogether and has been fully exposed. An apology will not return his credibility, he is unfit to be called an imam of the sunni masses.

    Below is the welcome he received at Allama Khadim Hussain Rizvi sahibs janazah and we can see that he is lacking "Sunni" supporters in the public. At every level he has been schooled by ulema in the basics and the awaam have seen this. One just has to read through general comments made by the public.

    He is only entertained by tafzilis!

  17. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    Based on the video below, Shah sahib and co will probably be consulting their travel agent about a return to the UK pretty soon. They should really apologise to Jalali Sahib and the Sunni public
  18. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

  19. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  20. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag Active Member

    IMG-20201118-WA0008.jpg View attachment 6285

    I wonder when Irfan Shah will follow him now that the real lion is out of the cage.

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