Huzoor Taajush Shariah on Their Picture Being Taken

Here is what a neutral said after reading that article on Takfir; I took it from deobandiforum.com. Our dear brother SunniStudent of Islamimehfil that replied after this.

And this is what a staunch deobandi then replied

 

KS, you believe that Shaykh Abdal Hakim Murad is a man of bid'a as well. You do not call him Sunni and attack him. Do you want to post all your grievances against him here as well?

 

So, what did Mullas Asrar Rashid's brother conclude. Whats his name? We would like to know.

I have never heard Shaykh Muhammad al-Ya'qoubi say that Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller is a man of bid'a. Why would then they meet and visit?

Does Shaykh Muhammad al-Ya'qoubi say that Shaykh Nuh's line from Shaykh Abd al-Rahman al-Shagouri is cut?

Shaykh Abu al-Huda is a man who is afraid of none but Allah.

 

On 73 sects:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONAGPXnA4gM&feature=related

The end part of the hadith is weak? The part "All of them are in hell fire except one".

 

Your questions should be posed to those individuals concerned. I know Faraz Rabbani debated Maulana Asrar's brother. And that letters and phone calls have been made to Nuh Keller. And Maulana Asrar's brother has met Nuh Keller face to face on this issue.

Akhi, that is not a matter of beleif. Imkan alKidhb is. Please answer the above:

 

Has Mulla Asrar Rashid conversed with Shaykh Nuh face to face in England. Please be clear. Its been 3 years of contact you say.

Shaykh Nuh has conducted at least 3 suhbas in England in 3 years. No one is stopped from attending the suhba and wanting to meet him.

Shaykh Nuh is a man of utmost poverty. He has nothing besides Allah. I have seen this with my own eyes. I believe it.

Shaykh Muhammad al-Ya'qoubi is exactly the same.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-l8N84DOHI&feature=related

'Deobandis, jamat e islami, etc are Sunnis'

 

I do not blind follow Shaykhs to know what an innovated beleif is.

Tell me, is Nuh Kellers stance on imkan alkidhb bida or not?

Or do you blind follow in aquida?

If it is not bida then explain why? If it is bida, then a mubtadi's baya is broken.

 

KS, you have never pmed me.

 

Sidi Wadood: I will Pm you sometime.

 

Please ask Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi if that tie is cut. If Shaykh Muhammad al-Ya'qoubi says 'yes', then its the truth. If not, then you are a liar.

There are a lot of anti-Shaykh Nuh people among Zaytuna followers.

 

Shaykh NuH also considers taking pictures as Haraam and has an exact same position as Mufti Akhtar Rida Khan.

Also, Shaykh Nuh visits Shaykh Muhammad al-Ya'qoubi and also visits England frequently. Has Mulla Asrar Rashid also contacted him face to face?

 

And yes we do know our priorities. The U'lama have written and contacted Nuh Keller for nearly three years now. They have been corresponding with him in private not to create fitna. In private. And he has not even the decency to respond.

But yet he has not budged from his stance!!!

 

Nuh Kellers position is not that of Al alSunna. That is clear from the article.

We also have a private recording where he says he supports the position of Gangohi and considers the position of the rest as weak.

Yes it is Shaykh Abdul Rahmans tariqah, but now that Shaykh Nuh has deviant beleifs on imkan alkidhb i think that tie is cut.

And yes inshaAllah we will respond to those Najdis, bi idhnillah.

I have noticed when we attack deviant Najdis or Deobandis, it is always the Nuh Keller murids, or Zaytuna lovers who say we should 'unite' with them....

 

At least Shaikh Nuh is Sunni. Are you or Mufti Akhtar going to reply to the video I posted of the maulana who shows his face and calls Ala Hazrat kafir? Have you or he answered the Mufti Azam Zar Wali video which also calls Ala Hazrat a kafir?

Sorry but it doesn't look like you know your priorities.

 

Its not his tariqah, its the tariqah of Shaykh Abd al-Rahman al-Shaghouri, the same tariqah of Shaykh Muhammad al-Ya'qoubi.

Shaykh NuH is a sincere man, not a man of nafs.

 

I didn't know this thread has grown.

But the fact of the matter is Mufti Akhtar Rida Khan HAS written a response. It has been written and is in English.

Some local student/s are currently editing it. The fact is that it is very long. But inshAllah will be released.

Then a letter was written to Nuh Ha Mim Keller showing him his glaring mistakes. To date Keller has not replied.

A copy of Fatawa Rashidiya was dispatched with the parts where Gangohi does takfir, and Maulana Asrar wrote to Nuh Keller that he should have used that as an example of Deobandi takfir. Aswell as the fact that he employs the word 'imkan alkidhb', and many other notable issues.

But Nuh has not replied.

By the way, the article of Nuh Keller has had no impact here in Birmingham. After that article many people have left his tariqah....

 

We have to do justice to the other side as well. Because we are Sunni, and honest people, not people of two faces. That is why we are the dominant always and Allah grants us victory in all spheres as the truth and masses are with us, including most of Shaykh NuH's murids.

Firstly, Shaykh NuH does have a world-wide following, but its still very small. This is the truth. His murids do not number more than a few thousands. For example, in North America, his main hub of following, his murids are only a few hundreds in most areas. Most of them have utmost respect for 'Ala HaDrat. There are more people out there who are anti-Shaykh NuH, especially among the followers of Shaykh Hamza Yusuf. Also, Shaykh NuH only has a few knowledge-students. I can name most of them here, if you want me to. This shows that his following is not say, even, the size of Pir Abdul Qadir Jilani's in Walthamstow.

The cyber storm that sherkhan is talking about was only among the Sub Continentals. Among Shaykh NuH's lesser murids in the west, of non-subcontinental backgrounds, very few hardly mention that article on 'Takfir' that he wrote. They are busy with 'reaching Allah' and stuck in quelling their nafs. The Sub Continentals, that include deobandis, were the ones most making hoohaww about the article. And they infiltrate Shaykh NuH's gatherings.

I agree with Sherkhan, I believe Shaykh NuH is still ignorant about the situation even today. I myself feel that it is not that too late. We can still put out a refutation of that article showing the many serious mistakes in it.

We can name it as Shaykh NuH names his. A general, but detail article on the issue of Takfir. In it, we can dwelve specifically on the example of Imam Ahmad Rida Khan and his caution and seriousness. We can use other examples as well. Explain Takfir through his works, if it is too late to explicity say that this is in refutation of that specific article by Shaykh NuH. We can publish other articles on the issue of Takfir as well. Slow and steady these can be disemminated over the internet and published. Eventually the anglophones will get them in their hands and read them.

MashaAllah, we have good sites on the net now, and excellent brothers. There was one refutation on the Islam786 website, but it was not publicized.

Just as we have succeeded in dispelling the stereotypes of 'barelwis', by establishing an academia on the internet and numerous authentic movements as dawate islami [people have clearly seen now that the deobandiyya were liars] we can succeed in dispelling this stereotype of Imam Ahmad Rida, that he was a man who was prone to Takfir. Perhaps this is the LAST THING that the enemy is still using against the Imam.

 

What do you mean Data Darbar? Data Darbar has Allama Maqsood Ahmad Qadri who is very educated.

The problem is that bad aqidah people are concerntrating on education. Mohi-ud-din Qadri said this morning that bad aqida people every year are churning out thousands of people while the Ahle Sunnat are producing much less in comparison. These young will cause a lot more problems for Ahle Sunnat as time goes so it will get worse before it gets better. For woman it is even worse because there are nearly no Sunni women teachers and the few that are out there are stopped in their tracks by narrow maulanas who are ignorant of the big picture. They speak about women reading naats or people making zikr behind naats or against photos but are blind to the fact that their maslak is dying. Its almost like they don't really care.

 

Is this aye or nay to writing refutation?