shaykh yaqubi on alahazrat

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  1. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    yes i was. the jahil poster was lashing out at a Syed for something like just trying to get his head around a forum thread, while ranting about others' tones in addressing perennialists and perennialist supporter "Syeds".

    speaking of respect, only SUNNI Syeds deserve respect, not perennialists like ali jifry or perennialist supporters like yaqoubi. we can ignore light bid3ahs like tafdil, but perennialism is a faith-killing poison.
     
  2. Lonely_Mountain

    Lonely_Mountain Active Member

    Salaam, are u being sarcastic here?


    Regarding ibn Hassan, i didn't understand everything he wrote but I have raised some points regarding what I did understand.


    Regarding: "Not on this Forum…unless you got some hiding under your magic carpet?"
    Wow, it will be a good day when you are able to communicate effectively without the use of taunt, satire or emotion.
    Additionally, what makes you think that brother Ahmed Uwaisi was making his observations based on the small population on the forum? He could have been talking historically. He could have been talking generally, i.e respect of Syeds is often talked about. He could have meant it in a small form, i.e. people are aware of it (not maybe acting on it but at least its a concept people are familiar with).
    Furthermore, if you are upset that people on this forum are not aware of respects of Syeds, wouldn't you be part of that group as well considering the general tone of your reply? So you are frustrated at the forum for being disrespectful but aren't exactly setting a good example if you wanted them to change? :/ Just my thoughts, and I can change them if necessary!



    Regarding: "PDF is not going to solve any of your problems you have been making PDF’s for a decade… find another solution to your problems!"
    You are slightly short-sighted. Its not the nature of the PDF, its the fact that all the opinions are gathered in one place and that we collectively worked on it. Additionally, its not necessary that we will just make a PDF and put it up there and just hope for the best. We are likely to apply it and disseminate it how we see fit. But why am I bothering you with the logistical aspects because you are trying to disassociate yourself from the matter by calling it "our" problem? I don't understand your participation if you consider it "our problem". Why are you trying to make us listen to your point so desperately if you are outside and it isn't your problem :S ?
    And since it is "our problem" let us deal with it our way and you can continue enjoying your life and its blessings. In the end of the day, either you want us to consider your opinion or you want to blunt out any intentions for effort. But don't just take us in circles with your argument. Its better if someone wants to do something about it like create a document and raise awareness than be despondent.


    Regarding: "Majority? How many please quote your figures, in millions otherwise don’t even bother?"
    So unless people are capable of producing statistics you don't hear them out? I thought it wasn't your problem :/


    You are quite interesting, I hope you eventually find your balance and continue on your path.
     
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  3. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    it's the job of those who come after, to follow the example of their elders. our elders have set a beautiful example for us, that we need to follow and emulate. it is stupid of you to think that when someone gives the example of elders, he is making an analogy.

    we don't make an analogy when we talk about the pious predecessors like Imam Abu Hanifa or Ghawth-e-A3zdham

    we're not making analogies when we give the examples of the Sahaba

    the Quran tells us that there is a great example for us in the practice of the Prophets.

    you need to learn to read properly. will reply to your post #53 later.
     
  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    hahaha. looks like i struck a cord. the thing is ibnhasan, that you are a superb example of a moron who has been handed a computer but who can't read, write, or use the functionality of a pc or the internet.

    if you would have done a search on as to why i said that about the shaykhs of evil and misguidance like yaqoubi and jifry, you would have come up with a half better post.

    tell me, do you also show this same kind of respect to khomeini, syed ahmed khan (aligarh), or syed abu'l a3la maududi?

    the benchmark for Sayyid-ness has been set by Imam Hussein radi Allahu 3anhu, who has shown the world that REAL Sayyids will simply not bow down in front of misguidance or tyranny, and that one Sayyid ALONE is enough to face misguidance and tyranny by himself.

    compared to that, yes i will repeat it a 100 million times and call ali jifry a kafir loving evil coward for addressing the pope as "his holiness" more than once. i will call yaqoubi a shameless mouthpiece of the americans, who doesn't have any integrity or dignity. and there's nothing you can do about it. so suck it up and move along, kid. and while you're at it, learn to read, write and understand.
     
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  5. ibnhasan

    ibnhasan New Member

    Damsel in distress… Get over it; compared to your own vulgarity it was quite timid and tasteless…

    Your quote:
    “spineless, kafir-loving, evil coward "shaykhs" like yaqoubi and jifry
    ”if these people and their ilk were even half men,”

    “shameless mouthpieces with zero dignity or integrity,”
     
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  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    ibnhasan, how dare you talk like that to Syed Ahmed Uwaisi?
     
  7. ibnhasan

    ibnhasan New Member

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    1. It is accepted that Muslims fought in these wars, etc. That is not the point of debate.

    "support and serving as their mouthpieces” and dying for them is NOT a POINT, where were the Nobel Sunni/Sufi scholars at the time???


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    2. It is accepted that Sunnis are aware of respect of Syeds.

    Not on this Forum…unless you got some hiding under your magic carpet?


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    3. The problem today is not solved by invoking the relevance of these two pieces of information, today's debate renders these two arguments are irrelevant.

    Not that simple, then you must also be prepared to “erase” what happened at the same time period in history regarding what those Evil Wahhabi/Deobandi scholars inscribed in their filthy books…which is not possible!


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    1) From the perspective of the majority of Sunniport, it is because they know Shaykh Yaqubi is being purposefully loose, and it is a trend they are consistently noticing.

    Majority? How many please quote your figures, in millions otherwise don’t even bother?


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    2) From the perspective of the brother 'Ibn Hasan', 'Shaykh is a Sayyid', 'Where is your evidence?
    Here:
    http://www.sacredknowledge.co.uk/index.php/shaykh-muhammad-al-yaqoubi
    and also
    http://www.alhabibali.com/biography/ln/en


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    Brother Ibn Hasan, you perhaps will not succeed in your attempts to argue with the main opinion here, as it holds more weight than the types of argument you are producing.

    As a layperson, their weight is quite light…thanks for the concern!


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    Equally, Sunniport brothers, you are on the truth, all you need to do is stop arguing so defensively as it is clear your position is correct, just create one small document with your main contentions, do it privately through your emails or on the forum, let people see that, and be done with it. Dont entertain other brothers' arguments, especially if he is new on the forum, you are acting childishly, no more back and forth, just one statement, make a PDF, and be finished.

    PDF is not going to solve any of your problems you have been making PDF’s for a decade… find another solution to your problems!


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    (Come attack me now for trying to act like a big man innit, ignore the main points of my advice, etc, etc, ring the bell!)

    It was Good Run I quite enjoyed that “sermon” but you messed it up right here at the end…what a shame, was expected though quite typical!
     
  8. Syed Ahmed Uwaisi

    Syed Ahmed Uwaisi Active Member

    1. It is accepted that Muslims fought in these wars, etc. That is not the point of debate.
    2. It is accepted that Sunnis are aware of respect of Syeds.
    3. The problem today is not solved by invoking the relevance of these two pieces of information, today's debate renders these two arguments are irrelevant.
    4. The problem today is not of mere 'collaboration', as you mentioned, Noorani Sahib and other examples. In today's situation, what we face are examples of DELIBERATE submission to dominant culture/ NWO norms, and DELIBERATE attempts to sideline the views of Islamic orthodoxy, that collectively represent Ahlus Sunnah and 'Islamic pride', and it is upon these elements that our brothers on Sunniport as well as Sunnaforum have become militated against, thus they will be the most defensive against incidents that are seen to lower the respect given to real aqida and political justice.

    Shaykh Yaqubi is correctly isolated by them as an example of someone who has deliberately contributed to 1) Political compromise, by promoting the phoney revolution/ destabilisation agenda in Syria, and 2) Theological compromise, by hiding key elements of essential creed, by not being clear on his stance on Deoband, these two issues are so simple, and could have been so easily avoided, and require no real evidence to argue in favour of, as these two aspects are widely documented. It is not a matter of denouncing each other's evidences, it is a matter of explaining to each other the REAL reason why you feel as if someone is being academically unjust.

    1) From the perspective of the majority of Sunniport, it is because they know Shaykh Yaqubi is being purposefully loose, and it is a trend they are consistently noticing.

    2) From the perspective of the brother 'Ibn Hasan', 'Shaykh is a Sayyid', 'Where is your evidence?', 'We can be friends with Neuturei Karta and Unitarian Christians'.

    Brother Ibn Hasan, you perhaps will not succeed in your attempts to argue with the main opinion here, as it holds more weight than the types of argument you are producing.

    Equally, Sunniport brothers, you are on the truth, all you need to do is stop arguing so defensively as it is clear your position is correct, just create one small document with your main contentions, do it privately through your emails or on the forum, let people see that, and be done with it. Dont entertain other brothers' arguments, especially if he is new on the forum, you are acting childishly, no more back and forth, just one statement, make a PDF, and be finished.

    (Come attack me now for trying to act like a big man innit, ignore the main points of my advice, etc, etc, ring the bell!)
     
  9. snaqshi

    snaqshi Active Member

    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    exactly the point......!!!!
     
  10. ibnhasan

    ibnhasan New Member

    Your “Fact” has definitely some personal issues/vendetta with these Sunni/Sufi Shaykhs , your blind eyes do not see that the very big reason Sunnis with less or no knowledge end up joining wahabis/deobandi are from the Indian/Pakistani “Beralvi” background with their Imams/shaykhs shouting from a mile away…come back please!

    With the Kuffar it’s a different ball game, not that simple… if you and your children/family happen to live with them from day to day basis of your “normal” life, it’s a question of time look around you how many Christians have converted to Sunni/Sufi Islam …but on the other hand the wahhabi/deobandi “attraction” needs to be dealt with first our Dawate Islami are doing a great job with the youngsters in the UK!

    What you have is roughly, 5 sunni mosques with no one qualified to teach, competing with 10 wahhabi/deobandi mosques with all their “Saudi jihadi diplomas” attract most of these uneducated sunni families and let’s not forget one poor out of breath Dawate Islami center with one or two Masha Allah great teachers ,who don’t have enough energy to stand…

    Example: A normal born and bred British sunni /Barelvi father of two young sons once asked, I don’t feel like sending my sons to a sunni mosque because of their education system is really very poor/bad and they have no qualified teachers to teach besides their unqualified semi retired “Taxi drivers” in the committee…but on the other hand “Tawhidul Mosque” looks attractive!
     
  11. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

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  12. Abu Hamza

    Abu Hamza Hanafi-Maturidi

    I dont understand why people have to make an anology between modern day scholars and Alahhazrat, firstly, the Qiyas is probably ma'al fariq since todays scholars cant even compete with Alahazrats students and khulafa in terms of ilm and amal let alone Alahazrat himself, secondly, constantly making that analogy and using Alahazrat as a yard stick, only results in Alahazrats name being tarnished, and to be quite honest the akhlaaq of the people on this forum is quite disgusting and doesnt do Alahazrat any justice.
     
  13. snaqshi

    snaqshi Active Member

    بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    Brotherh I think it is a bit more complex then that! Our masaajids are doing a very bad job when it comes to tadrees, we are just not equiping our youth with the tools to negotiate the world of Islam let alone the world as it is becoming i.e. a God-less society.
     
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  14. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    besides, spineless, kafir-loving, evil coward "shaykhs" like yaqoubi and jifry are a very big reason Sunnis with less or no knowledge end up joining wahabis. they are the main reason in fact. if these people and their ilk were even half men, and spoke against the kuffar honestly rather than becoming their shameless mouthpieces with zero dignity or integrity, then so many uneducated Sunnis wouldn't join the wahabis
     
  15. Abu al-Qasim

    Abu al-Qasim Active Member

    ISIL will be dealt with in due time. For the meanwhile however, ISIS is not trolling this forum, you on the other hand are.
     
  16. ibnhasan

    ibnhasan New Member

    I don’t think you need to worry about the “Troll” his pretty busy …

    What you should worry about is this Evil ISIS and their associates! Don’t you think it’s about time you Sunnis/Sufis stood together/united and destroy this unnecessary hatred amongst yourselves, our enemy knows our weakness that is the only reason why it has been spreading like a wild fire and we are still fighting regarding our shaykhs/Pirs on the “merry go round ”… whilst our children want to ride their “black horses”!
     
  17. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    troll alert.
     
  18. ibnhasan

    ibnhasan New Member

    Which side was the Shari3a on ?

    "die fi sabilish shaytan" Shame on our Ulama and “shaykhs by Islam” of the time for letting those innocent Muslims fight/die in these Kafir World Wars I-II

    Shaykh Sayyid al-Yaqubi is not my Shaykh/Pir!And for the “ego trip” neither is Shaykh Tahir ul Qadri!

    You don’t understand my “cryptic nonsense” but give a lecture on wahhabi/deobandi cults… nevertheless it was comforting by the way you don’t happen to provide these “Gold Stars” by any chance?
     
  19. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    it's unfortunate that we have so many cults these days.

    no, love & respect of a shaykh does not make someone a cultist. however, turning a blind eye to the shaykh's violation of the Shari3a or defining the Shari3a by the shaykh does make one a cultist.

    shaykhs are by Islam.

    Islam is not by shaykhs.

    it may be true that some idiot mureeds of a decent Sunni shaykh like Tajush Shari3a, or Shaykh Ilyas Qadri or others behave in a cultish manner, but that idiocy is limited to those idiot mureeds only because thankfully such shuyukh do not blatantly oppose the Shari3a thus not giving the idiot mureeds a chance to justify wrongdoings of the shaykh at any cost. and therefore, the shaykhs mureeds despite cultish behavior, can't be called a cult, and alhamdulillah for good shaykhs like that, the mureeds iman's are safeguarded despite their idiotic behavior!

    in an Islamic context, maybe we don't yet have a formalized and 'official' definition of a 'cult' but the simple common sense definition would be - "adab to shaykh but no adab to Shari3a" - that would define an "Islamic" cult perfectly for these times. you see it all over the place, be it wahabis, deobandis, perennialists, shias, tafdilis, modernists, the whole lot!

    what about the wahabis and deobandis? they're the biggest cults in history. the wahabis simply have to justify the wrongdoings and jahil fatwas of ibn baz or albani or othaimeen at any cost. the deobandis are a worse cult than wahabis, with their "my akabir, drunk or sober" attitude!

    learn to read.

    i said anyone who fought on the wrong side, and not the side of the Shari3a, if he died, yes he did die fi sabilish shaytan. btw, afaik, this is terminology from Quran or hadith. i was talking about a general rule and not specifics.

    and yes, if someone fought against Islam or Muslims alongside the british or other kafir powers and died, then he did die fi sabilish shaytan, be it world war one, or two, or any other war regardless if he was indian or arab or turk or anything else.

    again, you speak cryptic nonsense.

    that's about all the time and effort i can spare for people who can't read, write or comprehend. (unfortunately, that's quite an apparent trait of cultists these days it seems)

    sorry buddy, but i'm simply not rich enough to afford your ego trip. you win. pat yourself on the back and give yourself a gold star. i'm thru talking to you.
     
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  20. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    shaykh yaqubi should refute hamza yusuf hanson who is a perennialist. if the latter is not one, then he should stop inviting seyyed hossein nasr. will shaykh yaqubi have the courage to call hossein nasr a kafir? or is it not his business?

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    in the past, men were men. those with knowledge had the courage to say what they felt is the truth. but that is easily labelled as 'fitna' nowadays. and "good akhlaq" is the name given to hypocrisy.

    scholars and people of knowledge in previous ages assumed that it was their duty to warn common people about false ideologies and frauds posing as scholars. when someone asked them, most of them would state what they believed in; and they deemed it as their responsibility to answer.

    but we live in different times.

    instead of the 'scholar' with scores of lofty flying titles making a statement or taking a stand, fanboys and murids make fantastic excuses. the scholar himself is too busy attending functions and talk-shows.

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    this is only to illustrate, but imagine if alahazrat would have responded like these muntaHilin bi'l `ilm of our times. (NOTE: illustration only).

    there would be no sub'Han al-subbuH, but only vague statements. devbandis and ismayil's followers the neo-mutazili kazzabiyyah would be pleased and praise alahazrat. and everybody would believe in the kellerian claptrap of "hypothetical possibility of lying" in the Divine Speech of Allah ta'ala.

    there would be no Husam al-Haramayn. gangohi, nanotwi, ambhtewi and thanawi's followers - practically all of devband would have nothing against alahazrat. he does urs, no problem - as long as he doesn't speak ill of our char-minar we will not bother him or say anything about him. perhaps, even karam shah az'hari would mention him in his tafsir (even though he draws heavily on alahazrat, he doesn't have the heart to give him credit).

    there would be no fatawa al-Haramayn. nadwa would make him their poster-imam. ali miyan nadwi would probably gush in praise and write a hundred pages on alahazrat.

    there would be no kawkabatu'sh shihabiyyah. all of ismayil's followers would love him.

    there would be no amn wa'l ula. and nobody would recite durud taj following gangohi and thanwi's idiotic ideas.

    there would be no radd al-rifdah. rawafid would love him and mentione his love of ahl al-bayt. and shaykh yaqubi sahib could say that look even alahazrat didn't do takfir of his (yaqubi's) shiah brothers.

    there would be no nahy al-akid and such rasayil. zakir naik and anti madh'habites would be full of praise for the imam from bareilly who, though a hanafi, doesn't say bad about people rejecting madh'habs.

    there wouldn't be monographs refuting false sufis and sufis contradicting shariah. singing dancing would be fine. there wouldn't be masayil e sama'a.

    tafdilis would be delighted. there wouldn't be matla'a al-qamarayn etc.

    gandhi-followers from devband would be firm devotees; mahmud al-hasan devbandi and husayn ahmed tandwi would sing hosannas (when they could be murids of gandhi the polytheist, would they shy from a muwaHHid?). there would be no mahajjah al-mu'tamanah etc.

    there would be no ahlu's sunnah in the sub-continent either.

    but alHamdulillah, Allah ta'ala gave us an example of an upright scholar, a man with courage and firm faith that he is answerable only to Allah ta'ala.

    karuN mad'H ahl e duwal raza, paDey is bala meiN meri bala
    maiN gadaa huN apne kareem ka,mera deen parah e naaN nahin.


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    but alHamdulillah, alahazrat was a man of Allah ta'ala. he didn't worry about what the british thought about his fatawa or bother about a famous university training their guns on him. he lived for a principle. his name remains to this day as a saviour of ahl al-sunnah, a warrior (ghazi) of ahl al-sunnah.

    and if you too live for a principle - be bold enough to take a stand. have the courage to say that shariat e mustafa is Haqq and may the kafirs who deny it/reject, go to hell.

    the reason muslims are in such a bad shape is because of evil scholars who kowtow to corrupt rulers, currying for their favours and sufis who gladly accept gifts from fasiq kings (like the jordanian king and prince).

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    all these agents of evil - yes, that includes yaqubi and gfhaddad - they do not deserve to be respected if they do not have the courage to condemn evil. and until the day yaqubi finds his courage to distance from hamza yusuf, because he is a perennialist - and hamza yusuf and other assorted fanboys of hossein nasr, who is an admirer/follower/fanboy of the kafir shaytan frithjof schuon.

    does yaqubi sahib have the courage to warn muslims against the evil and heresies of hossein nasr and schuon - let alone other perennialists? does he have the courage to advise hamza yusuf to distance himself from this lot? does hamza yusuf have the courage to say that only muslims will go to heaven and kafirs will go to hell? will hamza yusuf have the courage to say that truth is only in islam or answer the following question?

    "what do you say about seyyed hossein nasr, the iran-born rafidi academic of USA? is he a muslim or kafir? if he is a kafir, what is the proof? have you read all his works? are there any statements, ideas in his work that may be deemed apostasy according to classical scholars?"

    some fanboys may whine that yaqubi or hamza may not know. i ask them, whose job is it to find out? isn't it a scholar's job to research the ideas and give "qualified" opinion? is attending a star-studded conference more important that researching and refuting heresies? shame on this lot of pseudo-sufis. tasawwuf is not just sound bites and a shaykh is not just a man with a long beard whose hands are kissed by a huge gathering of ignorant fools.

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    perennialism is evil. it is kufr. anyone who tries to sell this to muslims is a shayTan. those who keep quiet watching the show are ugly naked devils.

    wa'l iyadhu billah. wa la Hawla wa la quwwata illa billah.

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    Allah ta'ala knows best.
     
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