as usual - deobandis ka dimagh bhi bayl aur gadhe ka hai. allama ashraf - was not justifying it - nor was he condoning that idiotic idea that the thought of the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam causes 'interference' in tawhid. any one who says this is bereft of iman and he must weep for his aakhirah. alamah siyalwi was trying to emphasise on how bad it was - "if at all he had to say this, he could have said it without comparing the esteemed Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam with undesirable things" if zayd told qasim who was drinking wine in public: "aren't you ashamed that you are openly drinking? why, you could have at least not done that in public". the conclusion drawn by deobandis (sad-aafreen on their understanding) is: zayd condones drinking. the imbeciles should read the rest of the munazarah. https://archive.org/details/MunazraEJhangSunniVsWahabiDeobandi.pdfurduislamicBook/page/n57/mode/2up
السلام عليكم As a response to the recent Deo Mufti's video regarding the statement on the donkey in prayer, the Deobandis are now responding with this. If somebody could please verify the translation & explain it or so. This is one of the bigger Deo accounts too. Ashraf Sialvi Barelvi writes:“It is forbidden to think about the Nabi and not to pay attention to the him during Salah, because this wil create ta’zeem of Mustafa ﷺ, and the TAWHEED of Allah will be disturbed. These words were enough to explain this issue.”Munazra Jhang 109— Ahnaaf Services (@AhnaafServices) June 24, 2023
Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh. I don't know how to use this site. I am sorry for that. I need to talk to Abu Hasan privately. JazakAllah khairan Fellow Barelvi.
Refuting and responding on Twitter is putting the heretics (devbandis or others) in the driver seat. Even if you do a thorough refutation one time, in just a week, you'll have to honor a new idiot by reusing and rehashing work you already did once, and the cycle repeats. My suggestion is we stay in the driver seat and just focus on newer and newer content as and when we see fit, and not worry about replying to zombies.
Nowhere in Shaykh Barzanji's endorsement does he mention Imam ARK or Hussam Al-Haramayn, let alone, "I retract my endorsements of Hussam Al-Haramayn". That's what a proper retraction is
Ditto. For me, it can be just used as a notification system. For example, we follow brother Abu Hasan and see what he's working on, or any thoughts or random snippets he shares and so on. It's certainly not a platform for a munazrah or facts based discussions or lengthy discourse, on any topic, even the weather! Other than notifications from/to one's own circle, it's simply a waste of time, much like IRC in the past! I don't even think it's an effective propaganda machine.
aH looks like you have a reply ليس في هذه الصور إثبات لشيء أنه من خط يد الجنجوهي رحمه اللهالبريلوية عُرفوا أنهم متعصبون لشيخهم لدرجة أنهم يحرفون أي شي ليوصلون إلى صحة افتراء شيخهمفقد ذكر في حسام الحرمين أن القول بفعلية الكذب مطبوع من مطبعة بنبئي وقال به بعض أصحابه فأين المطبوع ممكن ترشدنا إليه؟— Ahmed Al Balouch (@ahmedhalb91) May 14, 2023 This person is notorious for spreading lies about Imam ARK in Arabic and has done a lot of damage to Barelvis, particularly through telegram but again no replies.
proof that it is indeed gangohi's hand: pic.twitter.com/MBAP3AsEnb— abu.hasan (@ridawipress) May 13, 2023
Barelvi Maulavi Abuses a companion of Prophet ﷺCalls him “khabeethun Nafs” pic.twitter.com/qc0b6NjmzY— Ahnaaf Services (@AhnaafServices) May 13, 2023 In this thread, they argue that Mawlana 'Abd al-Mustafa A'zami has written in his book 'Karamat e Sahabah' that the individual Jahjah al-Ghifari was 'badnasib' and 'khabith al-nafs'. They then go on to show an excerpt from DI's 'Karamat e Usman e Ghani' where they also used the same words. The thread goes on to prove that Jahjah al-Ghifari was a Sahabi. Having checked the book, there is no mention of this incident or the subheading 'beadabi ki saza'. Book link: https://www.dawateislami.net/bookslibrary/ur/karamaat-e-usman-e-ghani DI have 'Karamat e Sahabah' on their website too. Here, the words used are 'aik shakhs' when referring to Jahjah al-Ghifari; there is no mention of 'badnasib' or 'khabith al-nafs'. Book link: https://www.dawateislami.net/bookslibrary/ur/karamaat-e-sahaba Another edition of 'Karamat e Sahabah' does include the phrases 'badnasib' and 'khabith al-nafs' - the references are of Tarikh al-Khulafa and Hujjat-Allah 'ala al-Alamin Attached are the excerpts from both these books. How do we answer the objections against A'zami Sahib if this individual was a sahabi?
I agree for sure especially with the latter paragraphs I asked for some help as I myself don't come from a Barelwi background and most of this is new to me. In fact I have more Wahhabis and Deobandis in my family than Barelwi leaning. The reason I even joined SunniPort is to request for some presence on social media from members well versed in this stuff as there is next to no one there. And this came out of my admiration for Imam Ahmad Rida Khan and upset at attacks against him. I totally see and agree with where you're coming from. May Allah reward you for your efforts.
how many of you have read tamhid e iyman (and if you are no urdu reader: ) or its translation in english? if you are not happy with an RP translation, there are 3-4 other translations of tamhid too. --- if you haven't read it - please don't even engage with deobandis or try to answer them or whine or lament. and if you read that book, you will have enough material to tackle deos. --- https://www.ridawipress.org/downloads/
because our people are only interested in criticising each other. wa lillahi'l hamd there is so much material here on our forum and in the books by sunni ulama in english and in urdu (some of which is translated published and made availalbe for free by ridawipress) - but our people don't even seem to read these books. they want "someone" to refute them. yeah. we not only create content, we also have to engage with people on social media. unlike other sects, where content creators just provide the content and their people propagate it. our people will only chide us for not doing something. if sunnis had half the zeal and enthusiasm devs have for their 'akabir' - there is refutation for almost every lie. but every now and then, some kid comes up asking: 'what is the refutation of this...' we have to search for a thread and feed them and i doubt if they even read. ---- almost every allegation can be refuted by screenshots in the preamble of faith. and some other associated works (available in english). --- other than 10-15 people i know, i don't think anyone even opened TKM let alone read it. so let us not whine about devs attempting to control the narrative...
Another one One more proof that b*relvis are illiterate and ignorant of sunni corpus especially in the field of kalam. They use many of the same biases as wahhabis who accuse Imam al-Kawthari of denigrating sahaba. An example of this is that b*relwis claim that deobandis believe https://t.co/OhsrQqC76i— locked-in (@stoicsalik) May 13, 2023
So when he's asked for evidence of his claim that significant preachers consider it kufr if someone doesn't believe the Prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam is Mukhtar i Kull, he presents an article that doesn't prove that at all. Imam Ahmad Rida didn't do takfeer on this basis, so he's just making up a lie. Takfeer on this basis is to be found nowhere in that article. Rather, many of the deos will consider this belief to be shirk so who is the real takfeeri?
