The Seige of Mt. Twitter

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  1. Ali_Bash

    Ali_Bash Active Member

    Bahar e-shariat by Mawlana Mufti Muhammad Amjad ʿAlī Azami a great work in Ḥanafī fiqh

    Mālik al-ʿulamā' Zafar al-Din Bihari, Jāmiʿ al-Radawi, a great work in ḥadīth and Ḥanafī evidences.

    The target audience of the Barelvi ʿulamā' is not the arabs, it is the people of the sub-continent. The only reason the dev authored these commentaries in arabic were in response to the the commentaries by Azimabadi and Mubarakfuri on the two sunans.Why would Arab ʿulamā' need to read to the commentaries of the deobandi 'scholars' when they have the likes of Ibn Ḥajar, al-Nawawī, al-Qastallani, al-Ayni in their commentaries on ḥadīth, or Mulla ʿAlī al-Qari in his commentary on Mishkāẗ. Ibn Raslan, al-Ayni on commentaries of Abū Dāwūd.
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    HASSAN Active Member


    It seems like he shifted the goalpost shortly after the initial tweet
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    HASSAN Active Member


    This was tweeted but then deleted after a while; I cannot tell whether this person was genuinely asking or whether he was trying to cause discord.
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  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    for what

    HASSAN Active Member

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    Does someone have a good list?
  6. Khanah

    Khanah Veteran

    What's the basis of the takfeer for the entire group, even at that time? Some of them clearly say things which are kufr but speaking more on the general group as opposed to individuals amongst them?
  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    the internet of today is the radio and tv of the 70's and 80's on steroids

    just as you find so many "ex-Muslims" on twitter that are actually hindus and jews trying to lead people to apostasy, so many devbandis too masquerade as Arabs. the guy might as well be Arab, but take anything on cyberspace with a bucket of salt!

    the Abdullah al-Karmi fellow says:

    as a group yes, they are ruled khawarij by Ibn Abidin

    as for individuals,

    i'm yet to read about ibn abdulwahhab (or maybe read and forgot) being ruled a murtad, but given that his son who tried to propagate his ideas was certainly cross examined with due process of the law under the Ottomans and was executed as a murtad in Istanbul, as were some of his grandsons and other wahabi imams, it's a safe bet many ulama of that time considered that shaytan as a murtad. Ala Hazrat only arrived later!

    plus this guy is misinformed, these things are variable and subjective

    if there are lighter rulings on the lighter wahabis of our times or certain places, or even Ibn Abidin's time and place, there is no mathematical formula that can be applied for all times and places, unless they have a clear cut saying or action that warrants takfir (like ismailis or qadianis) or lack of takfir. if indeed the beliefs of the wahabis of Ala Hazrat's times reached kufr, then they will indeed be called kafir by him, even in a generality, like the so many zindiq madkhalis and perennialists of our times

    Allah knows best
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  8. AlialHanafi

    AlialHanafi New Member

    There's an Arab account who often defends Deobandis and their positions commenting on Imam Ahmad Rida Khan's verdict of the Wahhabis

  9. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  10. AlialHanafi

    AlialHanafi New Member

    Is there truth to this?

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  11. HASSAN

    HASSAN Active Member

    1673596743521280000 is not a valid tweet id

    These sorts of comments are also regularly posted
  12. Mohammed Nawaz

    Mohammed Nawaz Active Member

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  13. HASSAN

    HASSAN Active Member

  14. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    as usual - deobandis ka dimagh bhi bayl aur gadhe ka hai.

    allama ashraf - was not justifying it - nor was he condoning that idiotic idea that the thought of the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam causes 'interference' in tawhid. any one who says this is bereft of iman and he must weep for his aakhirah.

    alamah siyalwi was trying to emphasise on how bad it was - "if at all he had to say this, he could have said it without comparing the esteemed Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam with undesirable things"

    if zayd told qasim who was drinking wine in public: "aren't you ashamed that you are openly drinking? why, you could have at least not done that in public". the conclusion drawn by deobandis (sad-aafreen on their understanding) is: zayd condones drinking.

    the imbeciles should read the rest of the munazarah.
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  15. AlialHanafi

    AlialHanafi New Member

    السلام عليكم

    As a response to the recent Deo Mufti's video regarding the statement on the donkey in prayer, the Deobandis are now responding with this.

    If somebody could please verify the translation & explain it or so. This is one of the bigger Deo accounts too.

  16. Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh. I don't know how to use this site. I am sorry for that. I need to talk to Abu Hasan privately. JazakAllah khairan

    Fellow Barelvi.
  17. AlialHanafi

    AlialHanafi New Member

    Now Salafis are giving it a go

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  18. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Refuting and responding on Twitter is putting the heretics (devbandis or others) in the driver seat. Even if you do a thorough refutation one time, in just a week, you'll have to honor a new idiot by reusing and rehashing work you already did once, and the cycle repeats. My suggestion is we stay in the driver seat and just focus on newer and newer content as and when we see fit, and not worry about replying to zombies.
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  19. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    The Ghayat al-Mamul issue is straightforward and is actually damning for the devs. We'll soon see.
  20. Hassan_0123

    Hassan_0123 HhhhhhhM_786

    Nowhere in Shaykh Barzanji's endorsement does he mention Imam ARK or Hussam Al-Haramayn, let alone, "I retract my endorsements of Hussam Al-Haramayn". That's what a proper retraction is

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