Cult Mind Control

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  1. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    Some time ago when I started this thread 'Khadimu' asked me the quetion as to whether I think Yaqoubi Sahib is a cult leader?

    At that time he wasn't my primary discussion. Since looking and investigating his group I can honestly say they are a mind control cult. Many people who join this group change the way they behave in a weird way.

    This is apart from the lack of transparency with regard to money and a clear inability to answer questions, which was demonstrated on many other threads.

    This is apart from the claims, non which can be cerified except via the leader, ascriptions to shaykhs who have passed, claims to miracles and dreams which are used to entice members and feel guilty if they decide to leave.
    Also an esoteric creed hidden until one joins the group. This can range from entertaining whether the leader is Magdi to claiming 'we are people of the diwan'.
    This cult is no different to other sufi cults which are similar. My last note on this particular cult is that they should learn from Sayyid Muhammad Hashmi, the Shaykh of Shaykh Avdul Rahman Shaghouri and Shaykh Shukri, who says suluk is very very rare ( nadir jiddan jiddan). Yet here we have Yaqoubi Sahib murids claiming jahils are high in the tariqah and have reached spiritual ranks. This recording should be listened to:

     
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  2. Moriarty

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  4. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    A guru attempts to use his mantra on a sceptic and make the sceptic faint. Tricks used by cult leaders:
     
  5. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    The twelver shiite revelations say that Imam Mahdi alayhissalam will not appear until the number of Maraji reaches 80. Before his appearance the "yamani" would appear.

    Their number has boosted to 56 at the moment due to a number of newly added 'Iraqi Maraji many of persian ancestry. Shiism has increased in 'Iraq exponentially.

    Yamani wanted to kill sistani and other maraji, including a pakistani and an afghan one. He sent a letter to khamenei in iran asking him to accept his authority.

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    In the picture above, on the far left is the afghan marjia, next to him sistani, then hakim, and the last one on the right with the big turban is bashir najafi, a pakistani punjabi [ originally from indian punjab ]
     
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  6. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    A glimpse into the doomsday Shia cult of Ahmad Hasan of Basra:

    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/01/19/44417.html

    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/02/04/45160.html

     
  7. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran

    Personally I think if a you enrol kids into a Maddrassa/Jamiah and they stipulated a dress code then such a rule should be followed as it encourages children to dress modesty according to the Sunnah.

    Although I've seen this policy misused by certain Masjid committees to undermine organisations like DI, for instance a Masjid that I attend had worries that to many of its congregation had started wearing the green Imama, older congregation members who usually just prayed in hats had now stated wearing green Imama, it gained popularity amongst the younger members and students of the Maddrassa.

    At the time the committee was worried that if this trend continues then DI may take over the Masjid [I kid you not, that is the ridiculous level these committee member's were talking on within their meetings]. So they came up with a rule that non of the Maddrassa students could wear a green Imama during class, those that currently had it on were told to take it off and they were informed that only white or black Imama with white jubba is to be worn or black or white hats with white jubba. Green Imama is to be only worn during free time etc.

    So this highlights how some do misuse rules to create hurdles for Sunniyat, What I find sad is that if a kid had love toward DI and through that started wearing a green Imama then he shouldn't be discouraged from it due to petty motive's of individuals. Granted they did it in a very crafty way but it was obvious why it happened but Alhamdulillah the work of Deen never stops & sabr ka pal mitta howta hey :)

    Ps the Masjid & town will remain unnamed as it is irrelevant to mention location/Names and would just reignite past issues
     
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  8. Brother Barry

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    Indeed there are & will be some individuals who do this, but from my experience I believe there are 3 reasons the term is misunderstood or misused in this way.

    1. It's just Di lingo that is used by some with no bad intentions, infact usually it is used by Mubalighs to address member's of the ijtima who are from all backgrounds, Silsilas and all manner of dress code etc. Di books also address the readers by the term dear Islamic brother's. So just looking at point 1 actually clarifies that it is not a exclusive term but rather used to refer to every Muslim, it also shows that it has never been promoted by the organisation as a exclusive term just for it's Mureeds etc.

    2. Those that do unintentionally use it in a exclusive way are usually new Mureeds, new to the organisation etc, picking up terms here and there and using them amongst fellow Mureeds who are accustomed to hearing/using the terminology of the organisation, sometimes a new Mureed may be reluctant or selfconscious about using the terminology thinking other's may make fun or it may lead to various other questions which they themselves don't understand or have answers to.

    3. It is misused in a exclusive way by Jahil individuals who have not understood how the organisation uses this word for everyone. But in my view even such Jahils don't use it in the sense that they are the only Muslims or Sahih ul Aqeeda Muslims, it's just their inability to truly understand the teachings and methods of the organisation that results in them misusing the term and that's a person Fail on the part of such individuals.
     
  9. Harris786

    Harris786 Veteran

    look again

    Page 3. General Guidance
     
  10. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    i agree with both sentiments @Abu Hamza and @Brother Barry.

    it is indeed not the extent of wajib or fard to wear green imama with white clothes as DI tends to do in practice (even if not directly stipulated in writing)

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    however, people seem to forget the main root cause and the objective why DI was formed.

    DI was formed to offset the filthy effects of the tablighi jamat of the deobandis and take Sunniyat and remnants of it back to Sunni homes and especially the youth that have either forgotten about them (Sunniyat and its remnants) or have been haunted by the activities of the tj. there's no other motive or objective bigger than that behind the formation, existence, and functioning of the DI.

    some years back when i first became acquainted with DI, i was curiously questioning and cross-questioning one muballigh on the activities of DI, peeri-mureedi, learning initiatives, courses and so on, i couldn't get my head around this central question - what EXACTLY is the main FUNCTION of DI?

    is it an educational initiative? is it a "typical" silsila, with the whole khanqah system, etc.? if someone from DI wants to propagate Quran and Sunnah by xyz mubah methods, will he be opposed by DI that resorts to abc mubah methods? if not, why the restriction? what is their position on this or that ikhtilafi masala within Sunnis? involvement of people of other mazhab's? involvement of people of other tariqah's? what is the role of the muballighs? etc. etc. etc.

    the dear muballigh painstakingly answered all my questions and explained what exactly their functions and activities etc are.

    and then i finally responded by a summary statement, "to basically, Dawate Islami Sunniyon ki tableeghi jamaat hai" and ironically he was visibly annoyed and didn't like my comment or perhaps the way i phrased it in my characteristic blunt style.

    another two or three years later i met a prominent pakistani scholar who is one of the behind-the-scenes founding fathers of DI and who, along with some other senior and prominent shuyukh, delegated the task of establishing this organization (with this central function in mind, to offset & counter the ill-effects of the tablighi jamat) to Shaykh Ilyas Qadri (hafizdhahumullah). he said exactly what i mentioned above regarding the major & central objective and function of DI, and by luck, in front of the same muballigh who felt disturbed at my final comment when i was querying him on the central function of DI. of course, the prominent scholar had his valid criticisms on some of the activities, operational methods, management issues etc etc. at that time and that is perfectly natural and acceptable considering that the organization had grown immensely by then.

    now in 2015 it has only grown that much more, and i can understand that as an organization so huge, they simply can't please everyone Sunni on every real or perceived grievance (or peer-politics-based jealousy) someone holds against them.

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    coming back to the issue & the opinion of the two brothers -

    @Abu Hamza - yes indeed, it is not fard or wajib to dress in the characteristic manner DI muballigheen and DI Islami bhai's* dress in (white clothes with green imama), but at the same time, considering the main function of the organization, i can see how they need to be identified immediately, specially the active and knowledgeable muballigheen and anyone higher up the chain of knowledge.

    perhaps, their dress code needs to evolve, to highlight instant identification of various people involved in knowledge-propagation.

    it is just my humble opinion that the ulama, muftis, and knowledgeable and trained muballighs, qari's, huffaazdh who are the heart and soul of DI's da3wah and tableegh function and actively involved in propagation of knowledge to the awam, should have a standardized dress code for easy identification. the rest of the DI Islami bhai's should be free to dress however they want (within the parameters of the Sunnah of course), and nothing should set them apart from OTHER non-DI Islami bhai's...

    but then again, the counter point is - will it lead to issues of 3ujb and riya and politics within the organization? something along the lines of stars and stripes earned in the military - i have more stars than you, i just need to work hard to earn that red beret, etc etc etc. maybe they can insist on Sunnah clothing and imamah style, but just do away with the color coding for the normal members.

    then again, i think perhaps they have gone for a specific color code to distinguish themselves as a distinct organization within Sunnis and to ensure that no one mistakes them for the deo tablighi jamat (only guessing)

    i don't have the answers. Allahu a3lam.

    * i have deliberately written "DI Islami bhai's". someone told me that some of them (DI members) use the term "Islami bhai" only for DI members, something i detest. as far as i'm concerned, the term "Islami bhai" applies to any Sunni Muslim, regardless of his mazhab or silsila or ethnicity, or even if he's a drunk or a coke-addict.

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    @Brother Barry - i agree with the analogy of the school uniform for their schools. and agree that those who enroll, they should ensure they adhere to the uniform.

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    do MUSLIM run schools giving religious knowledge need specified uniforms? or should they just stipulate a dress code as per the Sunnah guidelines but without specific descriptions (example - can stipulate imamah, but not its color)? - we can start another thread on it.
     
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  11. Brother Barry

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    As far as I know it is a rule of the organisation that all students whilst attended classes must wear the uniform stated, after classes they are free to dress as they please. This is no different from wearing school uniform whilst at western schools, for instance if a child was to turn up to school in casual dress instead of the stipulated school uniform then the school would in all likelihood issue a warning or perhaps send him/her home and request them to return in uniform because it is clearly stated at the time of enrolment that one must wear the stipulated uniform whilst at school.

    Similarly those who have enrolled their children into DI jamiahs/maddrassa have done so with full awareness that the organisation has a uniform that conforms to the Sunnah & Modest dress code which they require each student to be wearing during class hours.

    They do not ostracise people but obviously rules are there to be enforced and the organisation is well within it's rights to request students to follow them, and since the organisation provides free education to its students in it's Jamiahs & Maddrassas then the least a student can do is follow the rules for those few hours a day they attend classes.

    Just my thoughts, No drama/Arguments/Peer politics
     
  12. Moriarty

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  13. Abu Hamza

    Abu Hamza Well-Known Member

    Read some of the stories in 'achi maaye' by Mufti Faiz Ahmed Uwaisi [rahimāhullah], i started translating it a few years ago but stopped abruptly when i came across the passage about the woman falling of a building after fleeing from a rapist, she calls on her pir who catches her at the bottom [Baha ul-deen naqshband radi'Allahu Anh] if i'm not wrong.
     
  14. Abu Hamza

    Abu Hamza Well-Known Member

    As for:
    I did not find this quote in the pdf attached.
     
  15. Abu Hamza

    Abu Hamza Well-Known Member

    @AbdalQadir it's nit-picking is what it is, nearly every silsila has a dress (even a single piece of clothing) to distinguish themselves from others, dawat e islami are perhaps the most uncompromising in that regard, in fact, you are not allowed to study [dars e nizami or normal madrasa] if you dont don the "uniform" of dawat e islami, mubaligheen do not have a say in the matter as the orders come from the top.

    Where in the sunnah does it say that "white" is the only colour one can wear or "green" for that matter? The difference with the shadhilli's is that the mureeds are not required to wear it in the way dawat e islami are, you are not ostricized or told you cant study if you dont wear the uniform. As for dawat e islam's stance on enforcing the uniform, what's to say that this isn't a bid'ah? [Hafidh Ibn Rajab has something very interesting on this in his 'jami ul uloom wa'l hikam', i will post it when i get time in sha Allāh].

    الله و رسوله اعلم
     
  16. Moriarty

    Moriarty Veteran

    Dr Booti refutes false claimants who believe their spiritual guide will help them in the grave:

     
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  17. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    from the pdf file:
    why the Moroccan type and what's wrong with the saudi type???

    strange request. in many cases, you'd be totally out of place in a suit, or even something close to it.
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    those are instructions from the cult of mr. yaqoubi.
     
  18. Abu Hamza

    Abu Hamza Well-Known Member

    Why would you put this under the forum entitled cult mind control?
     
  19. Harris786

    Harris786 Veteran

    "Your brothers and sisters in the tariqa are your family and immediate community."

    :confused:
     

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  20. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    anti-scientology documentary removed
     

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