Fadak and khatā

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  1. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran



    Jalili Sahibs father becomes tearful whilst hearing on stage of the shameful behaviour of his former student Irfan shah who made vile allegations upon him and his deceased wife (may Allah Almighty have mercy on her)
     
  2. Brother Barry

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    Seems like Irfan Shah has been caught out by his own methods. If I was a betting man I'd wager Raja Nabeel of Coventry won't be posting any 30 points against his Pir e Tareeqat Garbar e Shariat
     
  3. Noori

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  4. Waqar786

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  5. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    Khanqah Ismailiayh.jpg
     
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  6. ghulam-e-raza

    ghulam-e-raza Well-Known Member

  7. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Both Sayyid Tabbasum Shah Bukhari and Mufti Fazl Chishti have independently provided a detailed analysis of Tajdar-e-Golra's tasfia. Both tabsara videos are worth watching.
     
  8. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    some lucid explanations, this is a month old bayan, strange that was never mentioned.

     
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  9. Ghulam Ali

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  10. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Mufti Sammar Abbas Attari exposing anti-Jalali camp and highlighting the issues that we have been discussing so hotly here. He lays to waste many of Mawlana Nabeel Afzal's defence. He also reveals how many of the so called 100+ fatwa signatories actually declined to sign or are now actively regretting being part of the circus.

     
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  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    actually that point is simply preposterous. khata in urdu/punjabi means error even in general understanding of people.

    what's the commonly used word in urdu/punjabi when you do an innocent mistake that has nothing to do with crimes or sins, like forgetting to wear a jacket on cold day, or getting some direction wrong and taking a right turn instead of left turn?

    in Arabic, istilahi meanings aside, even in common parlance it refers to unintentional errors and the connotations are even milder, to the best of my knowledge. no one even thinks of sin or crime. if your child doesn't use his toothbrush properly, you say he's doing a khata.

    try taking this matter to an Arab Ash3ari or Maturidi shaykh and ask him the toughest opinion of the fuqahaa on Dr. Jalali's utterance.

    besides, he didn't use the word khata unrestrictedly. he qualified it with "jis waqt maang rahi theen" even in the initial video, which means the khata is restricted to the action of asking. whether the event itself took place or not, or the strength of the sanad, and so on are beyond the point. even if the sanad is weak, the usage of khata is only restricted to the act of asking fadak in the context of the speaker's speech. so it can't possibly imply sin or crime given the overall context.
     
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  12. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Conducting sting using telephone call has now become latest fashion. Unsuspecting ulemas are called, confronted with loaded questions and recorded without permission.
     
  13. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    I did not post the call, i just commented. people from both sides are calling ulama and trying to get answers to their interest. Ulama should be careful speaking over the phone on critical/disputed/hot issues, and if they do speak, there should be one answer whether in private or in public or on phone calls.
     
  14. ghulam-e-raza

    ghulam-e-raza Well-Known Member

    ممتاز الفقھا جانشین حضور
    صدرالشریعہ سلطان الاساتذہ امیر المؤمنین فی الحدیث محدث کبیر حضرت علامہ الشاہ مفتی ضیاء المصطفی صاحب قبلہ مدظلہ العالی سے کی گئی ٹیلیفونی گفتگو کو *بغیر اجازت نشر کرنے پر حضور محدث کبیر مد ظلہ العالی کا مسلمانان عالم کے نام ایک *اہم پیغام*

     
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  15. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

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  16. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    does not play
     
  17. AR Ahmed

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  18. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Getting worse each day - Usul and adab burnt at the stake of laffazi and josh.
     
  19. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    the way these people dismiss traditional scholarship is remarkable - so sa'eed sab has understood the Qur'an better than pir mihr 'ali shah and others?

    yesterday I got a chance to browse through at-tasfiya and I was so overjoyed to see how our ulama defend sunniyat - with logic and proofs - and without forgetting anyone's maratib. No emotional blackmails either.

    for those intersted, there's a whole chapter on fadak and another on ayat e tatheer - and the language is lucid - not laden with technical terms - do check it out.

    http://s595909773.online-home.ca/KB/Tasfiya Ma Bain-e-Sunni-Wa-Shia PU-1840/WQ.pdf
     
  20. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

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