Yasir Qadhi and Asrar Rashid - Aqida

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  1. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    And not to mention the other harm (more likely) where Shaykh Asrar slowly starts leaning towards them! Ala Hazrat has also mentioned such an incident as a reminder to us all!

    Not to mention the cases that we have seen ourselves where a Sunni alim starts changing...

    It's one of the laws of nature that a rotten fruit will cause the good ones next to it to start rotting, it will never be the other way around. That's why our pious predecessors have always forbidden to keep company with those of questionable beliefs.
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  2. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    That can be done privately.

    Look at it the other way,

    The danger is, mind the cliche, that it's Sunnis who then become sulh kulli by seeing them together publicly regularly.

    I don't like this approach and won't be supporting it.
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  3. Ashari Matuiridi

    Ashari Matuiridi New Member

    Would be great if Shaykh Asrar simply 'converted' the said fellas into pure sunnism/Ash'arism and the followers of said people would follow suit... And it would actually be beneficial.

    Wishful thinking it seems...
  4. Aurangzeb

    Aurangzeb New Member

    Thoughts brothers.

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  5. HajiNaushah

    HajiNaushah Active Member

    MashaAllah a real Ashari!
  6. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    i loved it, shaykh amin was very straightforward mashaAllah. this is the very first time i came to know about him, May Allah Ta'ala bless him. he raised exactly the same points that our elders have been telling, while there was no clear conclusion from the talk between shaykh asrar and yasir.

    let's see if yasir joins shaykh amin.
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  7. Taftazani

    Taftazani New Member

    Yasir Kazi showing his ignorance in this discussion.
  8. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

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  9. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    I didn't share stuff on Gaza by those of questionable aqidah because there are a few people out there who consider me reliable. If I now go ahead and share stuff by Hijab, Haqiqatjou, et al. then people think these people are also reliable.

    There is enough material on Gaza for me to not have to promote them.

    My concern is Sunnis. I don't like to lower the bar. I can make my point on Palestine without them.

    So unless people like Dilly come out and say they follow the aqidah of Imam Sirhindi and the Dihlawi's Imam Abdul Haqq and Imam Abdul Aziz, I have no need to share his stuff.

    If I share sulhs today, I see the danger of what Sunnis will do tomorrow.

    People will be ok with sulhs publicly but say Sunnis like me are wrong. This is what happens when we normalise sulh.

    As if it's fard for me to share their stuff!

    Don't forget the famous sadd al-dharayi'.
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  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    I can understand if they haven't heard yq much or seen enough of him, but if they're "otherwise informed Sunnis" how can they question his deviance if they know enough about him. Like akram nadwi, yq too is a pariah among wahabis themselves right now! He's a dhobi ka kutta at this point in time.
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  12. Qadiri Faqir

    Qadiri Faqir New Member

    I’ve noticed a very disturbing trend on social media with sh. Asrar’s followers for few years now. I recently had a sullah kulli relative tell me his parents were not okay with him listening to YQ. Now imagine the perception that will be received by the sunni laymen seeing a sunni scholar sharing platforms with them. I see sh. Asrar’s followers on social media proudly promoting his podcasts and talks with deviants as if this is some big achievement.

    I am very curious to know of all the people in last few years he has shared the platforms with and podcasts, how many changed their aqeedah/views? In meantime, how many of sunnis have been confused and questioning their own aqeedah? Just look on social media and you will see this disturbing trend.

    I’ve always been advised by our senior Ullamas to run away from deviants as far away as possible. Do not even go near their shadow. We were strictly warned even listening/watching to debates or going near their literature. I pray our youth sees the wisdom in the advice of our pious predecessors and take it seriously. Sach Karva hota hai but it is better to take heed now before it’s too late.

    In Malfuz of A’lahazrat, it is stated that Imraan bin Khataan Raqqaashi was regarded as one of the greatest Aalims and authority on Hadith (Muhaddith). He married his cousin sister who was a Kharijite. The Ulema were very disturbed and opposed this marriage. He said to them, "I have married her in order that I may guide her on the right path". Not even a year had passed before she had converted him to a Khariji. He went to hunt but became the target.

    May Allah ta’ala ease our affairs and grant us steadfastness on our maslak.
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  13. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Since Shaykh Asrar featured with Yasir, otherwise informed Sunnis have started to question if Yasir is even deviant.

    Point proven.

    It's backfired.

    Similar to when Yaqubi sahib went to Akram. I then saw followers to Yaqubi sahib gifting each other books of Nadwi.

    Can people still not see the pitfalls? Or is aqidah so inconsequential that we should endanger the afterlife of people?
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  14. Hanafi Sunni

    Hanafi Sunni Veteran

    why are we trying to impress the broader muslim community in any case? I mean on one hand you want to represent sunnis but on the other hand spark controversies that are in unfavourable towards the sunnis (on matters such as istighatha) where we have to seek private clarifications from sh. asrar but the old videos are constantly being used by deobandis up to date which creates so much confusion among sunnis.

    we need to realise that not everyone is well grounded with sunni aqeeda. Sharing platforms will just trap vulnerable sunnis, making them softer in aqeeda.

    yes, just to reiterate the fact that there are benefits of shaykh being on these platforms but the longer term repercussions are more severe. I mean look at sayed irfan shah issue, association with deviants led him to RIFD and he didn't even realize the trap shaytaan got him in.

    if people want to know how well grounded shaykh asrar is with modern day issues, they can simply look at his youtube channel and his publications. In my opinion its sufficient.

    bro, when you have liars widespread with propaganda against barelwis, you cant do anything. I mean if there is something to be done, it is being done. Books are being published. Ulama are striving to show the truth.

    This should be done publicly so that the viewers are well aware about the differences. YQ has got a whole 3 hour lecture (with arabic subtitles) where he believes its a stepping stone to shirk. Good luck convincing him on this

    its not about what we see, its about what the reality is and its severe repercussions on a larger scale.
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  15. Khanah

    Khanah Veteran

    Seems a strange thing to be focused on (if this is true) since shaykh asrar knows these are matters of furuu' as opposed to usool. He should rather encourage YQ to acknowledge the kufr of those who believe hellfire is not eternal and other more important matters first.
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  16. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    once again, we’re back to the same point Mawlana @abu Hasan has reiterated:

    Sh Asrar doesn’t consider himself Barelwi nor is he the representative of Barelwis, so how does what you’re saying make any sense?
  17. HASSAN

    HASSAN Active Member

    While there is a need to enhance the perception of Barelwis within the broader Muslim community, since, admittedly, this perception isn't particularly favourable, this doesn't imply that we need approval from everyone and anyone or that should we sacrifice our principles for acceptance

    One major benefit I see in having Shaykh Asrar going on these mainstream platforms is that it demonstrates to the broader Muslim community that Barelwis also have a well-informed English-speaking scholarly figure who is well-grounded in geopolitics and modern crises and can challenge them head-on in meaningful discussions and debates (he is the only one as far as know, which, of course, is a shame)

    I was informed recently by a brother that Shaykh Asrar will consistently encourage YQ to commemorate the Mawlid and accept Istighathah
  18. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    please do not misread this - i didn't mean that sh. asrar is doing it for himself. what i meant was that these outings will only make sh.asrar more acceptable to the 'others'. not the barelwis per se. i have also said that i believe he is doing what he does with a sincere intention.

    but others will be quick to point out that he is not a barelwi.

    on the contrary, barelwi youth will feel that sh. asrar is not reliable anymore as he can be seen on many platforms. OR they may begin to consider all those with whom sh. asrar appears as acceptable to listen and hear (this was pointed out by others as well).

    the latter is what we fear the most - sunni scholars actively forbade listening to heretics, lest they begin to be attracted to them (i.e. heretics) and thus lose their way.
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  19. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed Veteran

    Based on my personal previous experiences, perhaps what he means by this benefit is that the other (deviant) sects will start to positively view the Barelwis as moderate Muslims and not extreme grave worshippers…

    but who cares about what others think?

    If the kuffar are millatun wahida, would the deviant groups be also considered as such in their own right?
    Do we need to appease them?

    reminds me of
    لن ترضى عنك اليهود و لا النصارى حتى تتبع ملتهم

    Or perhaps, the post 9-11 naive “dawah” of some of the liberal Muslim leaders in their interfaith gatherings:

    “we’re not much different from you, so please accept us as human beings also and be friends with us”
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  20. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    we are not running for political office. we do not have business interests - that we fear losing customers. boy, i don't even have thousands of followers to lose on social media! i am free to express my views. i do not have to varnish the truth or self-censor my views or present my views in a manner acceptable to all - so that it doesn't upset people. i am not interested in gathering followers or admirers either - so that i have to strategically conceal my true opinions.

    a man who speaks the truth will have enemies.
    conversely, if you have to be friends with everyone, you will have to compromise on speaking the truth.

    apologies for using this example, but this is like tahir jhangvi and his antics added in barelvi account even though he himself rejects the label of 'barelvi'.

    so here, sh. asrar expanding HIMSELF - not the 'barelvi' circle. because he has publicly distanced himself from the label of 'barelvi'. so please don't give us this 'whatever-asrar-does-is-best-since-sliced-bread' line.

    he is a spokesman for his own 'thing' - whatever it is. please don't impress the favours of sh.asrar on the barelwi public in every action.
    do not take me wrong - i continue to believe that sh. asrar is a sunni aalim. but i do not agree with his methods and approach and certainly somewhere in the corner of my heart, there is a dull pain of disappointment.

    as a brother pointed out prior to me, can you list the 'benefits'?

    if sh. asrar dilutes his outlook - irrespective of what he believes himself - he will certainly be invited on all platforms. do you think anyone on these platforms in their right mind would ever care to invite someone who minces no words or call himself a 'barelwi'?

    certainly not. and sh. asrar removed that tag long ago. he is not a barelwi - by his own admission - and should not bother about what barelwis do. sub'HanAllah, he can go to sit with hijab and other guys and promote them on his facebook as 'brothers' and 'ustaz' and etc - even though hijab appears to be an ignoramus when it comes to islamic knowledge (based on a couple of videos i saw). i saw a picture where sh. asrar is sitting so seriously, and the other two fellows are loitering on a sofa as gamers discussing a football game. a friend commented: "sunnis would sit bolt upright in his presence."

    would sh. asrar be as generous with the barelwis? do you think sh. asrar would "set aside differences" and go to sit with mufti zahid to 'discuss' things of common concern?

    so dear brother, my best wishes and prayers for shaykh asrar for whatever he is trying to do - i still believe that he is doing things with a good intention - though i do not agree with his modus operandi, nor do i understand what he is trying to do; but i think it may prove detrimental in the long run.

    the main reason we have supported sh.asrar in the past was because he was holding classes and teaching various things - and it was different from common barelvi gatherings of naat and rhetoric laden speeches.

    the wahabis will love you if you don't talk about mawlid and istighatha and other things which have now come to be identifiers of sunnis in this age. wiping on mests is not fard or wajib - but imam azam mentioned it among signs of being a sunni simply because that mas'alah was contradicted by heretics of his age.
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