Yasir Qadhi and Asrar Rashid - Aqida

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  1. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    yasir with an evil liar - kazzabun ashirr.
     
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  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    ... but it somehow makes them conformant to many incontestably-Sunni ulema higher and mightier than Asrar Rashid (and/or any other contemporaries of these times) - like Ibn Abidin - who called ibn abdul wahhab and the wahhabis as a khawarij, YET called ibn taymiyya as shaykhul Islam; or other istighatha-permitting and istighatha-promoting Hanbali or non-Hanbali Sufis who have addressed ibn taymiyya as "mujtahid mutlaq" with reverence!

    now i personally (as if it matters) don't have much of a problem with someone's strict proscription of ibn taymiyya, and might even join them in this harsh treatment were it not for

    - humility towards Sunni akabir like Ibn Abidin rahimahullah and others like him;

    let's say i (a common person) decided to take the extra harsh rulings, or even takfir of ibn taymiyya, also by some other Sunni scholars (it's not binding to side with the lighter ruling or a specific scholar of the mazhab, on any matter, aqidah or fiqh),

    - then still the wahabis will throw a curveball at me -
    "your well known Ash3ari scholar and someone YOU call a wali - has called ibn taymiyya a shaykhul Islam - so what's your ruling on this Ash3ari shaykh you revere?"

    just the other day i was pleasantly surprised to see a Palestinian shaykh (hafiz, masjid imam) recite some verses of the Burdah, and explain them - and yet on other days you'd see him praising ibn taymiyya too

    my point - for better or worse, ibn taymiyya has made strong inroads into the minds and thought processes of the common awam and religious folks (full or semi shuyukh) alike who identify as Sunnis,

    and it is a much lesser evil, rather it serves our political interests against the kuffar, to identify honest and sincere blind followers of ibn taymiyya or just confused awam as a separate group distinctly different than the madakhila who really are the wahabis' counterparts of minhaji and mark hanson brand of "sufis" (all uncle toms) - inasmuch as Muslim interests, identity politics and unity in the west (or india) on issues like Palestine and opposing zionism (or hindutva) are concerned

    even in deeni issues - only those who are adept in understanding not just aqidah and fiqh, but also understanding the audience and congregation they're talking to - can tactfully highlight ibn taymiyya's blunders, otherwise you'd only be driving crowds away in many cases.

    i've personally seen people go "it's hubris, rightly so, for today's people to criticize Al-Ghazali or Abu Hanifa but what about pipsqueaks like you running your mouth on the giant ibn taymiyya?"

    yes, we are not scared of truth or interested in garlands and accolades for pleasing people, but we can also try to make sure that we tactfully get the right thing across to the awam rather than breed antagonism towards the manhaj of the Ahlus Sunnah, and if MH indeed is a sincere blind follower of ibn taymiyya (i don't know much abt him) then some controlled "whitewashing" of him can help Muslim political/societal interests in your part of the world and even help Sunni manhaj make deeper inroads into the awam, if done tactfully.

    Allah knows best
     
  3. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Yasir with the dead and mixed with soil Khalid Mahmood.

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  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    acha!

    Tarab aashna e kharosh ho - tu nawa hai, maHram e gosh ho!
    woh surud kya keh chupaa huwa ho sukut e pardah e saaz mein


    ----
    let joy get acquainted with zeal - you are a melody, you need to be heard
    what use is music that hides itself in a veil of silence of the instrument [or tune]...

    [in other words: if there is something great, then let it be heard / a musical instrument is of no use if it does not produce music/or is not in harmony with the tune;]
     
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  5. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Dawlah Makkiyyah.
     
  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    why didn't the devbandi show which book it was?
    was it alahazrat's work? and if so, which?
     
  7. Sunni By Nature

    Sunni By Nature Active Member

    ‎I received a book today as a gift from Shaykh Asrar Rashid (may Allāh reward him) regarding the knowledge of our beloved Prophet ﷺ.

    - Shaykh Muhammad Yasir al-Hanafi al-Deobandi, student of Molvi Khalid Mehmood

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  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    zu'uf mein ta'anah e aghyar ka shikwah kyaa hai
    baat kuch sar to nahin? kay uthaa bhi na sakuuN...
     
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  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    shaykh sayid foudeh says: (sharh al-kabir of tahawiyyah, p.1454-55)

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    and we find it surprising that many people in our times, who associate themselves with ahlu's sunnah are friendly with heretics and disbelievers. and the degree of this (love and) friendship varies from mere silence to avoiding refutation of (those heretics/kuffar) to standing in solidarity with them against the people of truth (i.e. ahl al-sunnah) - demonstrating that they ignore (those heretical positions) or display generosity (that their large hearts can exempt those transgressions).

    all of this is invalid (baTil) and it is not permissible.

    they do this with heretics to the point of deception or just agree with them in their heresies.

    it is
    wajib for those who are aware of the madh'hab of truth (i.e. ahl al-sunnah) that they should invite towards the truth as much as possible, to the best of their ability and do everything in their power - and to aid and befriend followers of this madh'hab (of truth) and support them, and defend them against their enemies.

    emphasis mine.
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    ab kar kay faramuush to naa-shaad karogay
    par hum jo na hongay to bahut yaad karogay!

    [reposted from: https://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/yaqoubi-event-with-akram-nadwi.14073/#post-65628]
     
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  10. Khanah

    Khanah Veteran



    Seems like AR is trying to whitewash Hijab and make it sound like he's not a taymiyyan and yet... Ali Dawah implies that Hijab decided not to respond in order to keep the focus on gaza. Anyone who watches Hijab's videos for even ten seconds knows Hijab is upon the aqeedah of Ibn taymiyyah, just as Ali Dawah is. Just because they dislike madhkalis and Ibn Abdul Wahab doesn't change their taymiyyan mindset. They are not asharis just because they use asharis arguments against atheists
     
  11. Akmal Khan

    Akmal Khan New Member

    JazakAllah Khair Brother.
     
  12. Mohammed Nawaz

    Mohammed Nawaz Corrections are always welcomed with appreciation

    The concept of seeking help (istighatha) through intermediaries (tawassul) can be categorized into two types:

    1. Seeking help from beings other than Allah, believing they possess divine abilities, which constitutes shirk (associating partners with Allah).

    2. Seeking divine help from Allah through one's own actions, Allah's attributes, or the elevated status of righteous individuals, which is generally permissible.

    Regarding the latter, seeking divine help through the status of righteous individuals can take three forms:
    i. Mentioning their elevated status while asking Allah for help.
    ii. Explicitly asking the righteous individuals to intercede on one's behalf with Allah.
    iii. Implicitly seeking their intercession, understanding that they will appeal to Allah on one's behalf.

    In a historical first, Ibn Taymiyyah argued that all forms of seeking intercession through the status of deceased righteous individuals are Haram, fearing they could lead to shirk.

    However, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, with an unconventional interpretation of tawhid, deemed the second and third forms of seeking intercession through deceased righteous individuals as outright shirk.

    While the majority of scholars (jamhur) agree on the permissibility of istighatha and tawassul, a minority may consider istighatha to be haram but not shirk, indicating a fiqhi disagreement. However, the Wahhabi school views it as shirk, contrary to the consensus of the scholarly community.

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  13. Akmal Khan

    Akmal Khan New Member

    Acha ok I take my words back, Can you please tell me about one more issue that wheather making dua to Awliya permissible, like raising hands and asking from that grave instead from Allah( without using Ya Allah,iss wali ke wasile se mujhe...)I apologise if it is sounding rude but I really want to know
     
  14. Aurangzeb

    Aurangzeb Active Member

  15. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    No it isn't kufr. It is haram in this ummat but was permissible in the earlier ones like for example the case of Hazrat Yusuf Alaihissalam.

    It will be better for you to refrain from blanket takfir like the wahabis do.
     
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  16. Akmal Khan

    Akmal Khan New Member

    I said if kufria things is happening then they are happening in some places not all. And Isn't someone prostating at dargah has committed kufr?
     
  17. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    I can agree to jahalat but kufr is a strong term to use against a Muslim. Grave worshipping implies the person worships someone other than Allah TaAllah which is incorrect. A sajda at a grave does not imply that the person worships the Wali Allah but on the contrary is jahalat and a sin.

    You need to get the distinction correct first. There is no need to play along with the tune of the deobandis and wahabis.
     
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  18. Akmal Khan

    Akmal Khan New Member

    To be very honest sir he is not wrong,there is so much of nuisance happening in many dargahs and kufria things are happening ,I have seen that in India at least. Kids are not taught about aqida(atleast basics) in madarsas,I have heard about some madras associated with Jamat Razai Mustafai who byheart hadis (which atleast don't make sense to me).90 percent of Muslims don't know what are mazhabs(schools) and which are they following and they easily get brain washed by deos and wahabdis by showing example of some dargah.Madarsas should have curriculum as such like in school.
     
  19. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    The key is the way he phrases it, like the statement "at least I am not"! It implies that plenty are "grave worshippers". The problem is that in order to appeal to others when you try and compromise, such as this scenario of meeting somewhere on the middle. Many former well versed people have fallen victim to such things and the worse case being them leaving the Ahle Sunnat altogether.

    Spending his time more with "Bareilvis" would be better than trying to compromise with the Ahlul bidah.
     
  20. Aurangzeb

    Aurangzeb Active Member

    It would appear that the post event majlis wasn't only discussing gaza then. I imagine, watching Sh Asrars content over the years that he is appealing to deo/wahabi laity when saying we are not grave worshippers etc as this is often the propaganda used against sunnis especially nowadays on social media.

    Its a risky strategy, sure commoners amongst deo/wahabis background people have started watching Sh Asrars content (hopefully the series of Aqida too) but how many common sunni background peoples watch MH, Hamza, Haitham etc, probably quite a few.

    I think in the social media age, Sh Asrar is trying to influence the influencers towards correct Sunni beliefs as forbidding our own peoples doesn't work. Sunnis watch everything from Salafi tik tokers to Liberal Imams to figures like Andrew Tate. I can see Sh Nur ud Deen was also at this gathering.
     

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