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Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by Inwardreflection, Mar 8, 2021.
Classic response once cult members realise nobody is interested in the dodgy goods they're selling.
Just came across this article by a zindiq cohort of mark hanson:
“Millions of Adams”: seeking the meaning of human historyBy R. David Coolidge, NYU lecturer and board member at... https://t.co/JhzvrWJ9lO— Zaytuna College (@zaytunacollege) April 13, 2016
this shiaism and hinduism loving perennialist is on zaytuna college's board:
“Millions of Adams”: seeking the meaning of human historyBy R. David Coolidge, NYU lecturer and board member at... https://t.co/JhzvrWJ9lO— Zaytuna College (@zaytunacollege) April 13, 2016
“Millions of Adams”: seeking the meaning of human historyBy R. David Coolidge, NYU lecturer and board member at... https://t.co/JhzvrWJ9lO
you can throw your tantrums with people who don't read books or have not seen REAL sufiya. i can refute every citation of yours wa lillahi'l hamd and demonstrate why it does not prove anything.
there is no other way.
Provide proof that Molana Sheikh Nazim ق called George Bush a Wali.
Because we have the Kitab 'Heavenly Wisdom ' written by Molana Sheikh Nazim ق in which he says the west are tyrants and its leaders and they will be destroyed by Allah. Link to book below:
naqshbandi.org › 2018/11PDF
Shaykh Nazim Haqqani – Heavenly Wisdom - Naqshbandi.org
You did not provide a reference for the extract of Sayyiduna Imam Jafar al Sadique عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ. And it its clear to see that he said this out of Humbleness. In the Quran e kerim it states
'And those who accepted faith, and whose descendants followed them with faith – We have joined their descendants with them, and have not reduced anything for them from their deeds; every soul is trapped in its own deeds.' [Quran 52:21]
Clear ayat thats the descendents of the Holy Prophet Sayyiduna Muhammad ﷺ who are upon the correct beleifs will be with him ﷺ. This is why the Great Sahabi Sayyiduna Umer ibn al Khattab رضي الله عنه was eager to marry the daughter of Imam Ali عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ so he could have this relationship with the blessed lineage of the Holy Prophet Sayyiduna Muhammad ﷺ and his children.
Lets see Ala Hazrats stance on Sunni Sayeds (That Molana Sheikh Nazim most definitely was)
Ala Hazrat رحمة الله عليه states:
“To disrespect a Sayed who is Sunni is strictly prohibited…Rasoolullahﷺ has stated in a Hadeeth, “He who doesn’t recognize the worth of my descendants is either one of three things: a hypocrite, an illegitimate product of intimacy or someone conceived during the period of impurity.”
(Kanzul Ummal, Vol. 2, pg.104 Hadeeth number- 34199)
Undoubtedly a person who disrespects a Sayed solely based of his Sayaadat is an absolute Kaafir. Performing Salaah behind such a person is either totally futile or Makrooh (abhorred). Without a Shar’ee proof, to call someone who is popularly known as a Sayed even though his lineage is not familiar, as one whose Sayaadat is unconfirmed is a major sin if the conditions of Qazf (ascribing falsehood) are prevalent in such a case. Such a person will be lashed 80 times as punishment and his testimony thereafter will always be rejected. If the conditions of Qazf are not prevalent, then it is certainly hurt to Muslims without Shar’ee cause and offense to Muslims without a Shar’ee reason is definitely Haraam.”
(Fataawa Razvia, Vol. 24, pg. 341-2)
Its you or Ala Hazrat رضي الله عنه. We choose Ala Hazrat رضي الله عنه
Alhamdullilah we Naqshbandi Haqqani are very close with Maslak e Ala Hazrat and its scholars and there works. But this is the first time we have seen such disrespect for our sunni Awliya from ignorant jahils using the mask of Maslak e Ala Hazrat.
The admin needs to chage his name. As Hassan was the first Gouse and he was a Sayed and grandson of the Holy Prophet Sayyiduna Muhammad ﷺ. Seen as the admin feels its ok to disrespect the sons of Imam Hassan عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ. Then he should change his name.
This new agenda is getting clearer and clearer that you young Narcissistic hayenas using the mask of Maslak e Ala Hazrat رحمة الله عليه dont listen to anybody but your own ego
I can assure you that none of us on this website are followers of brother Abu Hasan, as a matter of fact most of us do not even know him! We are in fact slaves of the pristine Shariah and oppose individuals who go against it.
And how have you reached the conclusion that we are jealous towards Nazim's cult? Do you think we are jealous because he made Tony Blair a wali Allah rather than anyone from this forum? Or is it actually due to his continuous nonsense rants that were against the shariah (and until now you have not been able to justify any of the late Nazim's ramblings)?
Every one on this forum knows that hadith you quoted; however that applies only to a Wali of Allah and definitely not to the late Nazim. And remember there are hadith mentioning exposing the fitnah makers so that the awaam are aware of them! This is the hadith that the members on this forum have acted upon.
If the Admin is a Jahil Ghustakhe Awliya then how can one win here. Iblis had all the knowledge of Shariat. But due to his Bai adbi to Allah and the noor of the Holy Prophet Sayyiduna Muhammad ﷺ, Allah removed him and destined him for Hellfire
This new small agenda of young extreme Rizvis who believe they are all about Shariat will end up like iblis. Why? Due to their Bai abdi towards Allahs wali and a the children of the Holy Prophet Sayyiduna Muhammad ﷺ.
In Sha Allah, this new agenda of narcissistic innovators using the name of Maslak e Ala Hazrat رضي الله عنه as a mask attacking those who Allah loves will very very soon be exposed. As falsehood is bound to vanquish
It seems like you are all in it together. This website is not Sunniport. Its Fitnah port.
Seen as you so called Rizvis feel like you have the upper hand over every Muslim on the planet then you need to contact Lokman Effendi or travel to New York and meet them. You have no idea of the hard work the Naqshbandi Haqqani have put in all over the world Alhamdullilah Azzawajjal.
As we stated, scholars such as Ehsan Qadr, Sheikh Asrar, Sayed Gouse ul Wara Sheikh Hashimudhin al Geylani, Dawat e Islami and 1000's more praise Molana Sheikh Nazim al Haqqani al Hassan al Hussaini ق.
While you new bai adbi narcissists called him Nazim and Co, or Just Nazim. You attack all those who you dont understand and you use the excuse 'Shariat'. Instead its pure ego
We Naqshbandi Haqqani refer to our Rizvi Barelvi Ulema with upmost respect Alhamdullilah. We study threir books and consult them on matters of Aqeeda. NEVER have they ever said what you narcissists are saying about Sayed Molana Sheikh Nazim al Haqqani ق.
If the Admit is just as ignorant as its followers then thers no hope on this kind of website. Remember that jealousy burns good deeds like the fire burns wood, so carry on with your jealousy towards the Awliya Allah you will only burn yourself
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) who said:
The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, “Verily Allah ta’ala has said: ‘Whosoever shows enmity to a wali (friend) of Mine, then I have declared war against him. And My servant does not draw near to Me with anything more loved to Me than the religious duties I have obligated upon him. And My servant continues to draw near to me with nafil (supererogatory) deeds until I Love him. When I Love him, I am his hearing with which he hears, and his sight with which he sees, and his hand with which he strikes, and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him; and were he to seek refuge with Me, I would surely grant him refuge.’ ” [Al-Bukhari]
Reference : 40 Hadith Nawawi 38
English translation : Hadith 38
3. emotional blackmail: they are sayyids. they are sufis. they are gnostics. you don't understand what they do. they have learned from x y z, so x y z approve of it. such and such respectable scholar met with them and therefore they approve of them. etc. etc.
these are common counterpoints of all cults and deviant groups.
they are sayyids.
if the likes of imam husayn and imam ja'afar al-sadiq deem themselves to be bound by the shariah, anyone else who comes after them waving their sayyid card should not intimidate you. if someone says i am sayyid, tell them the following two anecdotes (see here):
if imam ja'afar is so concerned about adhering to the sunnah and the shariah, every other sayyid who thinks he/she is above the shariah or somehow has special provisions (for being a sayyid) may please sit down.
bu lahab ke bhi laga haath na tabbat ke siwa
nothing but damnation reached the hand of abu lahab (despite his being a blood relative)d
they have knowledge of highest level which you don't.
anything that cannot be explained within sharayi parameters can be safely ignored. especially ramblings of sufi claimants in our age. there may be difficult works from earlier scholars - i personally am not interested in it, when Allah ta'ala has opened my heart for reading the hadith and tafsir. a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.
What's with the whole emotional blackmail of delete your post or you're going to have a bad end because you've objected to our cult. Looks like desperation to me.
english was not nazim's mother tongue. so it is probable that he wanted to say something and expressed it in improper words.
in my opinion, you will learn far more useful and appropriate tasawwuf in the books i have mentioned than being in haqqani company.
you are free to ignore the advice. wa billahi't tawfiq.
The actions and ramblings of haqqanis, nazim qubrusi, eshaykh, gf haddad have been highlighted numerous times on this forum, infact the threads go back years before his death. It's not like these objections which you find unpalatable have come up just now. You've been on the forum 6 years, perhaps you read them, perhaps you didn't. The point is if you're sincere you'd understand why those and many issues in this post were highlighted, and that sincerity should be telling you to leave them rather than the forum because tbh this forum is more helpful than what you guys are trying to defend. You're doing exactly what the minhajis do, legging it because you're unable to digest the truth at this moment in your life. This cult mentality should be avoided.
if a good boy who is usually obedient and disciplined makes an error or a mistake, he can be excused. we can make ta'wil of his actions.
if a boy makes numerous mistakes, and expects ta'wil for every aberrant action - those who proffer ta'wil are mad and are spoiling the child.
you must ask yourself why so many actions and statements of nazim require 'explanation' and 'tawils'.
nazim is dead. you will die and so will i. and each of us will stand to answer in a place from where there is no escape. do not wager your life for the mistakes of others.
ta'wil is only to exempt him from takfir. and a person who routinely blurts things that require his followers to scramble for ta'wil is not a good guide.
is video acceptable hujjah? certainly it is a moot point. especially in these days of deep fakes. but the fact that his followers justify that action proves that the action has actually occurred. such as nazim's going to the pope and asking him to pray for him or being present in a very western marriage of his grandson which looks like a christian marriage to someone who is not aware of these individuals.
let me turn that around for you? is video hujjah for the 'knowledge' 'gnosis' that is bandied around? why don't you issue a fatwa that since video is not hujjah - and we do not know what comes out of the shaykh's mouth - let us make it haram. it is impermissible to quote and mention videos absolutely.
video becomes suspect only where they are caught red-handed - otherwise, look here! listen to my shaykh! how beautiful! how sublime!
as i said, you can have that ta'wil and many more, and we will withhold because of the shariah. but remember you cannot run away on the day of judgement. all the false ta'wils will be held to account. better prepare for that day.
nazim can insult my shaykh and you expect me to still be nice with him. but if you feel i am insulting your shaykh, *you* have a right to get cross with me?
the long sermon (apparently transcription of nazim's ramblings) below is supposed to be a vindication, but it is itself replete with kufriyat!
the way he speaks about a prophet yisa alayhi's salam is disgusting.
this is irfan? laa Hawla wa laa quwwata illa billah.
will you say this qubrusi shaykh was carrying feces in his stomach talking about gnosis all the time? will you say, when he died, he became najis therefore they washed him?
even if his intention is to refute the xtians idea that sayyiduna yisa alayhi's salam is a god (ma'adhAllah) the casual manner in which he speaks of prophets is very unbecoming of a muslim, let alone a shaykh. how can one claim ranks of awliya without adab of prophets?
if we speak of qubrusi in this manner, his murids will get offended!
one of the far fetched excuses we proffer to avoid takfir of nazim qubrusi is that he was probably senile. interestingly, he himself doesn't accept that excuse for christians.
Ya Aba Hasan, before I leave answer this
1. if a ta'wil is da`if or ba`eed, is it still accepted even there is a criticism of the ta'wil?
2. Is video an acceptable hujjah or shari' dalil?
3. In each of those ibaraat incl. MercyOcean, is there ihtimal fil kalam, takallum, mutakalim?
Answer that please
you can leave if you wish.
if you are talking about nazim qubrusi, then i can show you things and critique these lame ta'wils.
my allegiance is to the shariah and i don't really care whom i will contradict. take shaykh gibril. he is an excellent scholar and wonderful writer. but i keep away from him because of his continued association, praise of nazim qubrusi. not only are nazim's deviant utterings in audio/video, they are also written and published in books like "mercy oceans".
dozens of wild foretellings of nazim might have proven false, but one or two that probably clicked make him a gnostic!
people! do not give in to emotional blackmail. think for yourselves. anyone who does not measure up to shariah, is not to be followed.
i read the thread with interest and agree with maturidinahwi mostly ma sha'Allah.
the other two posters: osmanli and noor11 seem to be well meaning sunnis but are caught in a dilemma and the web of a cult. they probably need some help to identify the false premises and lame ta'awils which cult members tell themselves to justify things that they can plainly see are wrong.
so caught between adherence to the shariah and orthodox sunni belief - and allegiance to a shaykh (who in their view is 'sultan al-awliya') with a number of issues and objections upon his words and deeds.
this is my husn zann about the two posters.
we will begin with fundamental principles.
1. the shariah is paramount. everyone is obliged to follow it. every person who calls himself a muslim is bound by it. no one can claim exemption except with a valid excuse. only those who are not sane, or children, or unconscious (sleep, stupor or concussion) are exempt in general; and others in specific cases and conditions with valid excuses.
2. tasawwuf is not wild ramblings of so-called sufis who simply dismiss any accountability by: "this is higher knowledge. you won't understand it".
of course, there are ambiguous sayings by some well known awliya, which were explained by later ulama by plausible ta'wil. these were pious scholars and strict adherents to the shariah; however, some statements here or there were reported about them which were not consistent with the shariah. hence, later ulama did ta'wil to reconcile WITH the shariah; nobody tries to twist the shariah and bend it to make it compatible with deviance. BUT STILL, one cannot go about doing ta'wil of wayward sufis who are not yet dead and can answer or explain their statements.
anyone who talks about tasawwuf and has not read these books doesn't appear genuine to me.
- risalah al-qushayriyyah
- kashf al-maHjub
- iHya of ghazali especially the first fascicles of aqidah and ilm
- qawa'id al-tasawwuf of shaykh ahmad zarruq
- maraj al-bahrayn of shaykh abdul haqq muhaddith dihlawi (which is a summarisation of the above work in persian)
- shariat aur tariqat of imam ahmad rida khan baraylawi
- kawkab al-shahiq of imam abdu'l wahhab sha'arani
- tanbih al-mughtarrin of imam abdu'l wahhab sha'arani
- uddat al-murid al-sadiq of imam zarruq
- maktubat imam rabbani (even though there are some esoteric discussions which can be skipped. but the shaykh emphasises on the shariah and to hold fast unto it is the clear outcome).
and anyone who claims to be a shaykh should be well versed in aqidah as explicated by our ash'ari and maturidi imams. the least one should have read and understood in our time, to be called a "sufi shaykh" are the following books.
- tahawiyah and one of its sharh: maydani or babarti
- fiqh al akbar and its sharh by ali al qari
- jawharatu't tawhid and its sharh by bajuri (and if the shaykh is not an easy going and is strong enough to do riyadah/riyazat, he should read the two commentaries of the author imam laqani himself.
- al asma wa's sifat of al-bayhaqi to learn what is allowed and what is not when speaking of Allah ta'ala most High.
- muqaddimah and sharh of imam sanusi (in fact all the books of sanusi - they are full of knowledge and they are floodlights with which one can easily see every little insect and vermin and poisonous snake that crawls or creeps or crouches to strike.)
- bad' al-amali and its commentaries.
- taftazani's sharh al aqayid with at least two commentaries: mulla ramadan and shaykh abdul aziz parharwi.
i say, that reading the above books are far more beneficial and important than fasting the whole year (except ramadan) and staying awake the whole night for the whole year. if one cannot read these books oneself (due to language barriers) or have the humility to sit near another teacher to learn from these books and become well-versed, how can you expect such shaykh to help others progress on the path? when he himself has neither exhibited the love of knowledge (the first step to irfan/gnosis is to have proper aqidah; else satan will tie him with a gossamer thread and make him dance as he wishes. al iyadhu billah) nor the humility to become another's student, what will he teach his murids? only superficial tafsir of of surah al-kahf without properly understanding it.
al ghawth al aazam spent many years learning the sciences - 'shuyukh' of our age are above this? sub'HanAllah.
most of the imams of tasawwuf were well-versed in aqidah, the usuls, fiqh, hadith etc. and therefore when the spoke about tasawwuf, they spoke with that authority.
look at the many shuruh of hikam by shaykh ahmad zarruq; or the shuruh of ibn ajibah; or the books of abdul ghani al-nablusi or shaykh abdul haqq al-dihlawi or shah waliyullah. they were all hadith masters!
indeed, whose speech in creation has more irfan than the speech of the Beloved SallALlahu alayhi wa sallam? and how can one thirsty for knowledge and gnosis stay away from it?
عجبت لمن له عقل وفهم يرى هذا الجمال ولا يقوم
imam ahmad zarruq summarised these principles in his 'usul al-tariqah'. it is a very concise checklist for someone who aspires to be a sufi.
anyone else is fair game, but if nazım kıbrıslı cult's deviancy is pointed out, it is slander!