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Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by Inwardreflection, Mar 8, 2021.
I don't believe you have. You expect me to take your word for it? Also, please present to them women kissing the hands of the shaykhs and also present to them the rest of the other videos I have shown, as well as all of the links I've shown. Even if you did present anything to them, I believe you must have presented a very one-sided slander where you have said something vague.
I know if you contact any of them, and actually show them these videos and eshaykh links, they will refute them. They will tell you which things constitute of kufr and evil bid'ah. You'll never be able to get a written statement from any of these scholars saying they endorse any of the statements I objected to, or any of the actions I objected to.
Ever heard of istidraaj? Unusual occurrences can happen even from deviants. The proof of wilayah is in one's aqeedah and a'maal being correct.
What's the question on the screen? Your interpretation is very very very far fetched. If he meant that there were many prophets before The Final Prophet, Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم, then why would he have said he doesn't want people to get drunk on this knowledge? Everybody knows there were prophets before Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم. He talks about it himself all the time. Your argument is invalid.
I'm sure the year has been documented too. I don't have any objections on Shaykh Nazim going that far back. He very well in my sight was a pious scholar at that time.
Why wait? Inform him ASAP. Every day holds the potential for somebody to become a deviant.
You've completely missed the point. You built a strowman argument. I never said that seekerspath can never be disputed with in furū'. What I meant to say is I dont think anybody would object to the website and their authenticity. Also, there's no difference of opinion on the impermissibility of women kissing the hands of men. Don't kid yourself.
Another strawman argument. I never said he called the pope a believer. Your intellectual incoherencies are showing. I said he asked the pope to pray for him. And I objected to a mureed kissing the hand of a pope - and the pope is a kafir without doubt.
He laughed whilst saying astaghfirullah. So much for him being so 'fearless', huh? He was unable to draw the line and say "don't insult our prophets"? Was he too nervous according to you?
You cannot speak because you've got nothing to say. It's haraam. He claimed to be following the shariah, in response to something which is agreed upon to be haraam. And the argument that it doesn't break the wudu in the hanafi school isn't an argument but rather a divergent. There are many haraam things which people perform that don't break wudu. It doesn't mean that it is no longer haraam.
Another strawman. I have not objected to Shaykh Nazim refuting wahhabism and deobandism. I agree with this.
It's been your last time a few times now.
I'm not doing any gustakhi.
Again, you've failed to give a sufficient response.
Alhamdullilah we and most of the Mureeds have seen Molana Sheikh Nazim al Hassan al Hussaini with the Holy Prophet Sayyiduna Muhammad ﷺ Alhamdullilah, along with all the Naqshbandi Akbirs.
Note: We have taken all you statements to a Khalifa of Tajusharia who is one our our teachers. We have also taken your statements to Mufti Shams ul Huda. They have stated you are Ghumrah jahil and you will face the wrath of Allah if you do not repent. We can give you their direct numbers if you wish to contact them
These are words from your own Barelvi Khalifas. Are you higher than your Sheikhs now??
Its YOU against Barelvi Khalifa, Ehsan Qadri, Sheikh Asrar, Allama Mukhtar Shah Naeemi Rizvi, Pir Uladin Sadique, Sheikh Muhammed Aslam Naqshbandi ق , Sheikh Sayed Gouse ul Wara Hashimudhin al Geylani, Mufti Shams ul Huda, Dawat e Islami and many more.
Karamat of Molana Sheikh Nazim ق:
Erdoğan (before he became president) asked Sayed Molana Sheikh Nazim ق for duas for success. Molana replied "With our duas you will become President ". Now look at him Alhamdullilah
In 2011 Sayed Molana Sheikh Nazim ق spoke that a virus is coming to those who dis obey Allah. And now we have Coronavoris. Link to video:
Hagia Sophia Masjid
Molana Sheikh Nazim ق predicted Hagia Sophia will become a masjid. Link to videos:
And many many more Karamats
1) Hojja Lokman effendis statement that There where many Adams before our Adam means there where many Prophets before our Prophet ﷺ. He refered to our Prophet ﷺ as Adam عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ . Our Adam meaning our Prophet ﷺ of our nation. He has this style of speaking
This is permissible and a figure of speech. He DID NOT mean there where prophets before prophet Adam عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ. You dont understand the personality of our Sheikh Lokman effendi and his style of speaking. Thats why you have gone on the attack because you dont understand his style because your all about Shariat Shariat Shariat as you claim. You don't have an open mind for Akkal
2) Sheikh Abdul Qadir al Geylani al Hassan al Hussainis رضي الله عنه grandson and current Qadri grandmaster Sayyed Gouse ul Wara Sheikh Hashimudhin al Geylani has nothing but beautiful words for Sayed Sheikh Nazim al Haqqani. We meet them on a weekly basis Alhamdullilah, better yet they mentioned that there are wolves within our sunnis causing chaos afew months ago. And here you are
Sayed Gouse ul Waras page:
3) When Molana Sheikh Nazim ق completed his 6 month seclusion at the Maqam of Gouse Azam رضي الله عنه in Baghdad, he was approached by Sheikh Abdul Qadir al Geylani in a wakeful form, he said to Molana Sheikh Nazim "My son you have done well". He then gave Sheikh Nazim 10 gold coins from his time. Alhamdullilah we have a copy of one of those coins. Molana did seclusion at maqam of every Qutb of every Tariqa. And he was granted pernission in every single one of them tariqas to be a representative. Thats 41. This has all been documented
And here you are claiming to love Gouse Azam رضي الله عنه but you are disrespecting his descendent and son openly without even considering talking about privately to the Sheikhs EVEN AFTER HES PASSED AWAY. Lanat on you, so called Sunni Barelvi Qadri
Gouse Azam رضي الله عنه said "Oh my Mureed, do not fear the schemes of the Mischevous because i am severe in Warfare". We ask his support against mischievous ones like yourself
4) most of the Naqshbandi Haqqanis do NOT ACCEPT Tahir ul Qadri is a Qutb. Including ourselves, We leave the scholars to explain this to Sheikh Hisham Khabanni Hafizullah as he may have been un aware. The scholars are aware and time In Sha Allah the message will get to him
5) You said "I don't think anybody will dispute with the Seekerspath website. Anybody who has any familiarity with this website will know this is a trustworthy sunni barelwi website"
Shows how biased and one sided you are. Not everyone agrees with some of the things our Barelvi brothers say, that does NOT make them a non sunni. Just the same as the 4 madhabs and 41 Tariqas and certain rulings
There is this growing agenda withinn our Rizvi brothers that a small group are becoming like Wahabis, attacking our own sunnis without even investigating it with higher authorities. Even attacking Dawat e Islami Ilyas Attari Qadri at one point for the use of videos and photos.
6) Here Molana Sheikh Nazim says he tried to 'Save' the pope. Nowhere does he indicate the pope is a Believer as you are implying
7) laughing does not always mean one is agreeing with a person, we dont know if you are feemiliar with the term Nervous laugh. Where a person automatically laughs to a nervous situation, this is common and is a quick reflex, nowhere does Hoja Lokman Effendi Hafizullah say "I agree with you" Astaghferullah. If you listen in the video and watch his lips closley, he actually says Astaghferullah. Listen closely. He is our Sheikh, we understand the style of his talking.
8) We cannot speak for Molana Sheikh Nazim al Haqqani ق on the kissing of hands. Most of the women who kiss his hands are his relatives but in a video here he spoke about it:
Conclusion I think you need to reconsider your position of who you are and represent becuase it is clearly not Barelvi Rizvi as you have gone against them. If anything you have done exacly what the Wahabis do.
We are defending the Awliya Sayeds of the Ahle sunnah wa al jamaat against imposters like yourself.
This is the last time I will say this or message on this thread. Remove your posts and contact the Sheikhs directly, I have given you the facebook link and i can provide numers via inbox. If you carry on with your Ghustakhe for Allahs wali then by Allah I swear you will have a bad end. And many more sunnis brothers will attack your for your atrocities towards Allahs walis and the children of the Holy Prophet Sayyiduna Muhammad ﷺ.
FEAR ALLAH repent and delete your posts. You have no idea what's in store for you if you do not stop now.
Biz Osmanliyiz, Madet ya Shah e Mardaan e Ali عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ
You haven't answered many objections. I want good for people. I want people to not fall into kufr by reading a kufri answer on eshaykh and assuming it to be the truth. I want people not to think they can do a few extra qadas on holy nights and think that years of qada will be covered like this. This is not going to help people. What will help a muslim is if they make a firm practice to do qada daily.
We don't want people to have the wrong aqeedah that there were 'multiple Adams before our Prophet Adam' عليه السلام. Come on. All Muslims know Prophet Adam عليه السلام is the first human and first Prophet of our Lord, Allah.
We don't want people to believe somebody can take bayah with a peer and that enters them into Islam. We don't want people to try and close the gap between Imaan and kufr.
We don't want people to laugh along at a Prophet of Allah being insulted! Being pleased with kufr is also kufr!
We don't want people to think it is not kufr to have doubt in a murtadd, jew, christian or any other type of kafir being a kafir!
We don't want somebody to believe that the punishment of jahannum will come to an end! This is kufr!
What is it you don't get?!?!?!
Also, osmanlinaqshbandirizvi you're slowly getting to the crux of things. Shaykh Hisham has praised dr Tahir ul Qadri wrongly. Now how many mureeds are going to see this and have good opinions about Tahir ul Qadri? Don't you think Shaykh Hisham should be informed about the deviations and kufr of Tahir ul Qadri, and refute it publicly? I know minhajis myself personally, and they will try to use Shaykh Hisham to back up Tahir ul.
The only Shaykh that has passed on which I mentioned was Shaykh Nazim. The rest that I mentioned are alive and have the ability to retract things they have said, and to remove people from positions of authority (like removing those answers on eshaykh and those who are not qualified to teach Islam).
Also, I gave a few awliya just to say that I love awliya and don't think being against haqqanis means somebody doesn't love awliya. I just gave a few of the top of my head to try and stay on the point. You're trying to find something here to criticise. I'll clarify that the order I wrote the names of some awliya I love is not the order of greatness in my perception. For instance out of those awliya I believe Sayyiduna Ghawth al-A'dham Shaykh Abdul Qadir al-Jilani رحمة الله علبه is the greatest wali from his time onwards and the greatest in the brief list I mentioned.
You won't be able to answer to the objections, by Allah!
Also, osmanlinaqshbandirizvi I am still concerned about Shaykh Nazim meeting the pope, asking the pope to pray for him and the mureed kissing the hand of the pope.
I am also concerned about women kissing the hands of the shaykh. This is a form of zina. And this is impermissible, nobody can dispute this. There are muridas who still kiss the hands of Shaykh Hisham for instance, and I've witnessed this with my own eyes. There are many videos you can find too. Believing this is permissible is very dangerous.
As for the matter of Shaykh Nazim saying the pen is lifted, if you can show a video where he specifies it is minor sins, then that would be much appreciated. If he says minor sins indeed, then I will consult with an 'aalim of the deen regarding this matter.
I hope you will open this to read. But if you don't, here's the first paragraph of the answer:
"Intermingling of non-mahram men and women is haraam (forbidden), be it in front of Pirs/Shaykhs or the Masjid or any other place. A non-mahram woman cannot kiss the hand of a Pir or Shaykh. It is haraam and an act that will lead one towards Hell."
I don't think anybody will dispute with the Seekerspath website. Anybody who has any familiarity with this website will know this is a trustworthy sunni barelwi website whom the sunnis in the UK have benefitted from. The scholars answering the questions are steadfast upon maslak e ala hazrat and firm on the shari'ah.
I am shocked at how on the one hand, somebody can be so severe against kufr and evil innovations and on the other hand one can turn a blind eye to it, in the name of 'higher understandings' and 'tassawuf' and the rest of it.
If a 'sunni barelwi Rizv'i scholar laughed along with somebody insulting a Prophet of Allah, Most High, we would all come down heavily on that person, and rightfully so.
If a 'sunni barelwi rizvi' scholar hinted that there's a valid opinion that jahannum will come to an end, we would all come down heavily on that person, and rightfully so.
If a 'sunni barelwi rizvi' scholar hinted that having doubt that a kafir is a kafir isn't kufr then we would all come down heavily on that person, and rightfully so.
If a 'sunni barelwi Rizvi' scholar had women kissing his hands we would come down heavily on that person, and rightfully so.
If a 'sunni barelwi Rizvi' scholar asked a pope to pray for him, we would come down heavily on that person, and rightfully so.
And the list goes on.
But when it's a haqqani figurehead, you guys give it a pass. This is a clear case of personalities over principles, when it should be the other way. Principles over personalities. The standard for this religion is the Qur'ān, the Sunnah of our Beloved Master Sayyidunā Muhammadur Rasoolullah صلى الله عليه و سلم, and the Ijmā' of the ummah. We must judge by that standard.
There are many people who loved Sayyid Irfan Shah Mash'hadi. He spent his life in service of the deen. He refuted kufr and evil bid'ah. He refuted qadianis, deobandis, wahhabis, shia. Now look at what positions he is expressing at this point in his life. He has ended up shia inclined himself. May Allah guide him back to the truth.
And I emphasise I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT disrespect the sayaadat of ANY Sayyid. We absolutely will not insult the lineage of the Prophet. We love the very blood that flows through their veins, the blood that flows through their veins is the blood of our Habeeb, Sayyidunā Muhammad
صلى الله عليه و سلم
The likes of Shaykh Nazim and Pir Naseer have passed away, so there is no need to bring them up. The issue here is if mureeds are spreading incorrect positions and/or defending perceived 'mistakes' then it is not up to the responsible leaders in the Tariqa to clarify and root out any problematic issues.
What I find a lot when issues come up about big shaykhs but actually scholars in general, is that these issues don't get divorced from the 'personality'. This just makes issues worse and emotion takes over. The defence will be is that he is a wali, syed or he has done X amount for Sunni Islam previously but that does not mean in this issue they are right.
If we put our Maslak and the way of pious predecessors first, we would not be in this malaise now.
This Religion is Nasiha. How can you counsel Sincerely without holding Mercy as the pivotal pillar. The Sunnah is to want Good for everyone and to invite beautifully, with Wisdom. This just seems an outright attack, disguised as "defending Shariah" when if you search deep within yourselves its just an expression of your nafs. Some of the Shayukh mentioned have Passed on so take care and what, "mention them by name only without any Scholarly Title?"!! For those on the thread there's a few things to watch now you've posted to see who is on Truth on who has scorched himself.
1. If you Disparage the Shayukh and they really are Awliya well then get ready for War with Allah. Remember, Allah is As Sabur so he may leave you in your state and then seize you. Your understanding of War and what Actually happens may bedazzle you in the end but of Course only the People of Marifa Know this and He is Al Latif. But I'll give you a tip, if you have a hard heart, love arguing and don't cry often its a Sign you are probably in trouble. The Matter isn't about doing an act only but the Sign of its acceptance so you may spend your whole life engaged in good deeds all which had no acceptance but you were just tiring yourself out the whole time because you had no Adab and may have angered Allah about some remarks (of course you'll keep telling yourself you were defending Shariah).
2. Some Awliya are listed below but look at the order they appear. to some it may not be a telling point. But, someone whose inner state is clean and sound would have the order down to perfection. This is because EVERYTHING MATTERS, there is no big and small even though in Fiqh it is so. In Reality everything is just HUGE, even more the mention of Al Muntaqim's Friends.
My advice, don't post anything else. sit down humbly and save yourself and your family and Repent because your time is coming fast. Fear Allah.
Some Narration's below:
Aisha reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do not abuse the dead, for they have reached what they put forward.”
In another narration, the Prophet said, “When your companion dies, leave him alone without speaking badly about him.”
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 1329
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Bukhari
We read your whole thread we assure you
The Hadith is Sahi as you can see via its Isnad, and never did Molana say i am sin free Astaghferullah. He said the pen is lifted for minor sins as per Hadith. When you get to a certain age.
Eshaykh is untrustworthy and we do not recommend anyone to use it
Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan رحمة الله عليه is a wali beyond me and you, he had over 15 million people at his funeral, the largest funeral in history of Islam. One of his Khalifas are my teacher. Yet he never ever talked bad about Molana Sheikh Nazim al Haqqani al Hassan Al Hussaini, his Khalifas including my teacher have said amazing things about Molana. And you claim to be so called Tarjusharia? Who are you following??
As we said, Ehsan Qadri, Shaykh Asrar Rashid, Pir Saqib Shami, Muhammed Aslam Naqshbandi, Pir uladin Sadique, Sheikh Yaqubi and 1000s more praised Molana Sheikh Nazim
You ask about the Wilayat of Molana Sheikh Nazim Adil Al Haqqani al Hassan al Hussaini. Are you aware of the event that too place about the miners who where stuck in Chile. Molana Sheikh Nazim saved them even though he was 1000's of miles away. When they eventually came out they confessed that Sheikh Nazim saved them. This is a big miricle that happned, the whole sunni world where amazed by this. Link below to full story:
In terms of Rashid Ahmed Gangohi, Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Qasim Nanotwi, Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahabi Najdi. They are all Kaffir as per Fatwa of Ala Hazrat رضي الله عنه. We are upon this Alhamdullilah. Our Naqshbandi Masheikhs have openly refuted the innovators and Akbirs of Deoband and Wahabism
Coming to Tahir ul Qadri. Now listen to us very carefully: Tahir ul Qadri is a Murtad. We Naqshbandi Haqqani Osmanli are saying this. Unfortunately there are some haqqani brothers who are un aware or blind follow Tahir ul Qadri. We are aware of the video of Sayedi Sheikh Hisham Khabanni calling Tahir ul Qadri a Qutb. And we got into many arguments over this but reality is Awliya can make mistakes and Sheikh Hisham Khabaani was un aware of the Blasphemy of Tahir ul Qadri. Tahir ul Qadri is no Qutb he is as Ghazi Khadim Hussain Rizvi رحمة الله عليه says 'Shaykh ul Shaitaan'.
Sheikh Nazim never said George Bush is a Wali. This as a common attack from the Wahabi/Deobandi/Shia/Habashi.
In the previous thread i sent you a link to Molanas book called Heavenly Wisdom. In that he calls the Presidents of the West Tyrants and leavss nothing of them. So against contradiction and fabrication from the enemies of the Awliya
The problem is and we have seen this allot. That people do no sit with the Naqshbandi Masheikh enough nor watch their sorbets. If they did then they would know 100% that they are upon Haq. Its not just about zikirs and Hadras. There is so much more if one opens his heart to it.
Almost every true Mureed of Sayedi Sheikh Nazim ق has seen him with the Holy Prophet Sayyiduna Muhammad ﷺ and the Ahlul bayt sleeping and whilst awake. Its impossible for this to happen tona Fasiq as you are claiming
We have seen nothing but our Sunni brothers defend Molana Sheikh Nazim ق. This is why i am very shocked to see you as a sunni Barelvi slander Naqshbandi Haqqani Akbirs. Its sad actually.
Allama Mukhtar Rizvi praising Sheikh Nazim ق:
Understand this. You are not just slandering an Awliya. You are slandering a Sayed aswell. And what is the ruling on a person who slanders a Sayed?:
Ala Hazrat (Rehmatullah alai) states:
“To disrespect a Sayed who is Sunni is strictly prohibited…Rasoolullahﷺ has stated in a Hadeeth, “He who doesn’t recognize the worth of my descendants is either one of three things: a hypocrite, an illegitimate product of intimacy or someone conceived during the period of impurity.”
(Kanzul Ummal, Vol. 2, pg.104 Hadeeth number- 34199)
Undoubtedly a person who disrespects a Sayed solely based of his Sayaadat is an absolute Kaafir. Performing Salaah behind such a person is either totally futile or Makrooh (abhorred). Without a Shar’ee proof, to call someone who is popularly known as a Sayed even though his lineage is not familiar, as one whose Sayaadat is unconfirmed is a major sin if the conditions of Qazf (ascribing falsehood) are prevalent in such a case. Such a person will be lashed 80 times as punishment and his testimony thereafter will always be rejected. If the conditions of Qazf are not prevalent, then it is certainly hurt to Muslims without Shar’ee cause and offense to Muslims without a Shar’ee reason is definitely Haraam.”
(Fataawa Razvia, Vol. 24, pg. 341-2)
As a Muslim Sunni brother who is also upon the Maslak e Ala Hazrat and Tajusharia. I am asking you to delete this whole post and please take your issues privately to the Sheikhs we mentioned before. We alhave provided links aswell. This is going to cause serious fitna and spiritual corruption for many
This is what tassawuf is. Purifying your inward also implies having the correct aqeedah 10000% firmly established in the heart and on the tongue is the first part of it.
Just to clarify, I wrote this in an unclear manner. To clarify I said that Rashid Ahmad Gangohi committed kufr and died upon that kufr. Not Hajji Imdadullah muhajjir e makki, ofcourse.
Can you prove that the narration you just cited is used as an evidence to say the pen is lifted for somebody beyond the age of 80? The shari'ah doesnt say that. A muslim is still obligated to pray at that age and is still obligated to refrain from sin, to fast, pay zakat and perform hajj if not done already etc. You're showing your hate for the shariah which I've observed 'osmanli Naqshbandi haqqanis' have. They give their own fatawa and dont know the basics.
I don't think using eshaykh is feeble to prove my point. Perennialist kufr is being promoted on that website. Gibril Fouad Haddad himself has been saying deviant things on that website.
I am inclined towards believing that your initial response was pre-prepared, because I don’t believe that you read my entire post in under 25 minutes and actually checked each link and each video to see what was being said. You didn’t actually respond to any of my points either, and that’s because you are disingenuous and are just defending a peer, like most followers do, without critical thinking. I’ll be genuine enough to respond to each of your points, though.
I’m not a barelwi – you haven’t proven this. Also, I never discussed Abdullah Faiz ad-Dagestani, I discussed nazim and co. Lets see how much knowledge you have about the barelwi-deobandi dispute. Ever heard of Hajji Imdadullah Muhaajir e Makki? A great sunni scholar. Rashid Ahmad Gangohi allegedly had khilafah from Hajji Imdadullah, who later on deviated from ahlus sunnah, and committed kufr. He died upon that kufr also. Just because his shaykh-e-tariqat was a great man, doesn’t prove anything about Gangohi himself.
I’m causing fitna or nazim and co. who have spread so much deviance? Even sunni scholars of the arab world of today who don’t know about the issues of deoband praise deoband. Their praise isn’t valid though. Had they known the reality of deoband, they wouldn’t praise deoband.
You’ve given me an answer to Wahhabi and some Deobandi beliefs. You haven’t given an answer to any of the objections I’ve put forward.
Provide me some evidence. I’ve given you plenty of evidences. You’ve not proven what you’ve said about the interaction between Shaykh Asrar and Nazim.
You can’t prove that nazim and co. have Wilayat. Also, I love many awliyah. I’ll give you a few examples of the awliyah I love just to get you out of your cult mentality whereby you subconsciously think only nazim and co. are awliyah and nobody else was ever a sahib-e-wilayat. Ala Hazrat, Pir Mehr Ali Shah, Mufti e azam hind Mawlana Mustafa Raza Khan, Shaykh Muhammad al-Qandusi, Sayyidunaa Abdulqadir al-Jilaani, Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti, Khwaja Bahauddin Naqshband, Abu’l Hasan ash-Shadhili, Mujjaddid alf-e-thani Imam Ahmad Faruqi Sirhindi, and that’s just to name a few.
You’ve claimed for me it’s just shari’at and not tariqat, and that’s why I’m square-headed. Just because somebody doesn’t accept your fallacy of what you deem to be ‘tassawuf’, it doesn’t mean they don’t believe in tassawuf and aspire to achieve tassawuf within themselves. Again, your cult-like mentality where you deem only the people of your ‘tariqah’ to be ashaab-e-tassawuf is showing. I’ve heard this line from enough ‘sufi’ cultists, saying to people who object to them that they don’t have any tariqat or shari’at. Let me tell you something, these ‘haqqani shuyukh’ don’t have either. They think they have tassawuf and have abandoned shari’ah, and due to abandoning the shari’ah they have nothing in tassawuf. Let me show you a real alim and sufi, Tajush shari’ah, Mufti Akhtar Raza Khan. He shows us what tassawuf actually is, and part of that is having istiqaamat upon the correct aqeedah. Have a watch:
Some other points to note is that there are ulama’ who have actually objected against Nazim and co. such as Shaykh Sayyid Turab ul Haq. And I’m sure if many more issues reached him he would’ve objected much more.
Lets see Hisham Kabbani, calling tahir ul qadri a qutub. If you accept dr tahir ul qadri is a deviant, and you believe hisham kabbani is such a high level wali as the haqqanis claim, surely you would believe hisham kabbani has some baseera (insight) and could tell the reality of tahir ul qadri. Infact, he states the complete opposite and claims tahir ul qadri is a wali. This is lying, and this lying took place in the blessed lands infront of the masjid of our Beloved. These people need to fear Allah.
Also, hisham kabbani can be found sitting at the feet of gohar shahi, a self-proclaimed Imam Mahdi with nothing but praise to offer.
If you are just you should investigate whether nazim called tony blair and George bush awliya too.
Here, Mawlana Abu Hasan has very clearly objected on nazim and co. Does Mawlana Abu Hasan have no tassawuf either? Is he a squarehead? Did Allamah Sayyid Turab ul Haq not have any tassawuf and no affiliation with maslak e ala hazrat according to you?
Yes Molana Sheikh Nazim said the pen is lifted for the Elderly Muslims. Here is why:
The Holy Prophet Sayyiduna Muhammad ﷺ said:
‘No one reaches forty years in Islam except that Allah protects him from madness, leprosy and leucoderma. When he is fifty, Allah makes easy his reckoning. When he reaches sixty, Allah grants him repentance. And when he reaches seventy, Allah loves him and the inhabitants of the heavens love him. And when he reaches eighty, Allah accepts his good deeds and overlooks his sins. When he reaches ninety, Allah forgives his past and future sins, he is named ‘the prisoner of Allah on earth’ and is granted intercession (for forgiveness) for his family.’
Ref: This Hadith is reported by several Sahabah (radiyallahu ‘anhum) and is recorded in many Hadith collections with slight variations in the wording.
Musnad Ahmad, vol.2 pg.89 and vol.3 pg.218
Musnad Bazzar, see Kashful Astar, Hadith: 3587-3589 Kitabuz Zuhd of Imam Bayhaqi, Hadith: 650-652 Hafiz Ibn Hajar Al-‘Asqalani (rahimahullah) has mentioned seven Sahabah that have reported it.
(Ma’rifatul Khisalil Mukaffirah, pg. 89)
So called Barelvi. Seems Molana is more educated in Hadith than you as he clearly narrated the above. But instead you say he 'Lost his mind'. Its YOU whos lost his mind. I have seen extremis Rizviz like you, extreme in everything, shariat Shariat Shariat. But no Taswauff, that's why you are so narrow minded and deceptive.
Link to Molana Sheikh Nazims book where he clearly says all Kaffir Jew/Christian will never enter paradise as well as many more solid refutations
naqshbandi.org › 2018/11PDF
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Eshaykh has been know to have problems this is why we dont use it. But for you to use eshaykh as an excuse to slander Naqshbandis is very very feeble and ridiculous
Your not a Barelvi. Wallah hu al azeem. Our Grandsheikh Abdullah feiz Dagestani who is the Sheikh of Sayyid Sheikh Nazim Adil al Haqqani lived at the time of Ala Hazrat رضي الله عنه. Ala Hazrat loved Grandsheikh and wished to meet him.
Yet here you are finding excuses to cause fitna over things you have no knowledge of. Even though Ehsan Qadri, Sheikh Asrar, Dawat e Islami, Khadim Rizvi and many others who are true Barelvi have praised Molana Sheikh Nazim ق and the Naqshbandi Tariqa, you (so called Barelvi) are doing the opposite.
We have given you answers via video that we speak on Aqeeda, we expose Falsehood and Alhamdullilah we have top scholars like Gibril Fouad Hadad Naqshbandi who is working with Sheikh Asrar Rashid.
Did you know that Sheikh Asrar Rashid met Molana Sheikh Nazim ق in Cyprus and wanted his blessings. instead Molana said to Shaykh Asrar "Dont worry Birmingham is in your control". Alhamdullilah look at him now
Love for Ala Hazrat رضي الله عنه and hate for Awliya cannot live in the same heart of a Barelvi. Alhamdullilah we are Barelvi aswell as being Osmanli Naqshbandi with Ottomon heritage. You are the first so called Barelvi I have ever spoke to who hates The Naqshbandi Haqqani Tariqa. Its you against the whole sunni world.
You can fool others but you cannot fool those who have vision. And you are NOT a Barelvi nor a Sunni.
You are spiritually dead, Shariat and Taswauff(Sufism) go hand in hand. For you its just shariat and this is why you are such a square headed Qadab with no understanding of the inner dimensions of Islam.
Imam Abu Hanifa (80-150AH) رضي الله عنه
Imam Abu Hanifa said, emphasizing the importance of sitting at the feet of a spiritual guide and teacher, “If it were not for two years, I would have perished. For two years, I accompanied Imam Jafar al-Sadiq and I acquired the spiritual knowledge that made me a knower in the Way (Sufism/Tasawwuf).” [Ad-Durr Al-Mukhthar, Vol. 1, page 43]
Imam Malik (94-179 H./716-795 CE)
Imam Malik ( رحمة الله عليه) said, “Whoever studies jurisprudence (fiqh) and didn’t study Sufism (tasawwuf) will be corrupted; and whoever studied tasawwuf and didn’t study jurisprudence will become a heretic; and whoever combined both will be reach the Truth.” This saying is mentioned and explained in the book of the scholar ‘Ali al-Adawi with the explanation of Imam Abil-Hassan, a scholar of jurisprudence, vol. 2, p. 195.
Imam Shafici (150-205 H./767-820 CE)
Imam al-Shafi`i رحمة الله عليه said:
"faqihan wa sufiyyan fa kun laysa wahidan, fa inni wa haqqillahi iyyaka ansahu"
(Be both) a faqih and a sufi: do not be only one of them, Verily, by Allah’s truth, I am advising you sincerely.
[al-Shafi`i, Diwan, (Beirut and Damascus: Dar al-fikr) p. 47]
Imam Shafici said, “I accompanied the Sufi people and I received from them three knowledges:
they taught me how to speak
they taught me how to treat people with leniency and a soft heart.
they guided me in the ways of Sufism.”
This is mentioned in the books, Kashf al-Khafa and Muzid al-Albas, by Imam ‘Ajluni, vol. 1, p. 341.
Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (164-241 H./780-855 CE)
Imam Ahmad ( رحمة الله عليه) said, advising his son, “O my son, you have to sit with the People of Sufism, because they are like a fountain of knowledge and they keep the Remembrance of Allah in their hearts. They are the ascetics and they have the most spiritual power.” This is explained in the book Tanwir al-Qulub, p. 405, by Shaikh Amin al-Kurdi.
Imam Ahmad said about the Sufis, as mentioned in the book Ghiza al-Albab, vol. 1, p. 120, “I don’t know any people better than them.”
Alhamdullilah Azzawajjal Sayedi Molana Sheikh Nazim al Haqqani al Hassan al Hussaini and all his Khalifas are upon Haqq and the world knows this. Unfortunately your small brain cannot comprehend the depth of spiritually because you have none nor have you even read the works for Molana Sheikh Nazim ق
"Bad thoughts about them (sufis or those who have karamat) is the death of the heart."
[Ref:al-Haythami, Fatawa hadithiyya, al-Halabi ed. 1970, p. 331.]
Download the PDF Book Heavenly Wisdom written by Molana Sheikh Nazim al Haqqani ق and you will see how he vigorously says Christians and Jews are Cursed Kaffir and Allah will never accept them.
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Molana is saying the complete opposite of eshaykh. I personally do not use eshaykh becuase it is run by some who are unlearned and they have said some wierd things which I admit and am aware of . However they do not represent the Shayukh
If you have the courage then please contact Sayyid Sheikh Mehmet and their representatives can arrange a meeting with you. This facebook link is thier primary account:
Or contact Ehsan Qadri, Sheikh Asrar Rashid or your local Faizan e Madina Dawat e Ielami. and you will get a satisfying answer.
You will get all you dearve for your treachery and using the blessed title of Ala Hazrat رضي الله عنه to spread your hate against Awliya Allah
This is our last message on here. We leave the rest to Allah Azzawajjal. Destur ya Rijal ul Gayb
Alhamdulilah, I am a Sunni Barelwi Muslim. I am not a jew or any other type of kafir, nor am I a wahhabi, tafzili, nasbi or habashi AICP member.
If you're an osmanli naqshbandi, inbox me I've got plenty to say about the osmanlis. Secondly, notice how I done takfir of escadaman07 and I said he is a kafir I didn't do takfir of abdur rasheed. I constantly put 'naqshbandi haqqani' in quotation marks to show that the individual, escadaman07 is not infact a 'naqshbandi Haqqani' but a filthy disbeliever.
Secondly, I did not do takfir of abdurrasheed. I simply presented that I am very very concerned that escadaman07 himself told me abdur rasheed supports drew Ali and that I found a post shared onto abdur Rasheed's page in support of drew Ali which hadn't been taken down. For somebody so active on Facebook it's still worrying he hasnt taken it down.
If you're sincere then we can discuss some issues I believe the osmanlis have in their aqeedah. Aside from that I spoke from my personal experience of hearing MANY 'haqqanis' speak words of kufr. I did not do mass takfir of 'naqshbandi haqqanis', the only individual I mentioned by name and did takfir of was escadaman07. I even specified that I haven't asked abdur rasheed about his beliefs, but that I'm concerned there's a post shared on his fb page promoting drew ali's religion which he hasn't taken down. Also, abdur Rasheed has a responsibility to make sure that kufr is not being promoted on his social media.
Nor will you find that I said the 'naqshbandi haqqanis' have not tackled any wahhabi and deobandi fitan at all. I am well aware they have protected people from anthropomorphicbeliefs at times, made people believe in istigatha, and have made a multitude of people muslim also. They have taught a number of sunni points of creed at instances. This we do not deny. At times they have also stressed importance on respect of the Prophet also.
My first issue was escadaman07's kufr. I made it clear he is a kafir and needs to be refuted and exposed for his kufr.
Incase you failed to notice, I did not paint all people who identify themselves as 'naqshbandi haqqani' with the same brush, rather in the second part of my post I pointed out other kufriyaat I have heard 'naqshbandi haqqanis' say and I expressed my belief that the 'naqshbandi haqqanis' have not given enough focus on aqeedah. This, I know for a fact seeing as a 'zikr leader' and may I emphasise, a 'zikr leader' of scotland made a dua e maghfirat for a guru who died. This is explicit kufr. This is one example.
Also, I believe you meant Allamah Ibn Abidin's work called Radd ul Muhtar 'ala Durr al Muhtar. Yes, we revere Allamah Ibn Abidin and his work. And yes, bahar e shariat and the barelwi ulama e kiram have extensively used this work in their own works such as bahar e shariat. What connection does this have with people 200 years later (approximately)? How does that book validate 'naqshbandi haqqanis' now? Just because Ibn Abidin had a connection to the ottomans, and there is a tariqah circle called 'osmanli naqshbandi haqqanis', this does not validate 'osmanli naqshbandi haqqanis'. You're just looking to make links which don't connect. If Allamah Ibn Abidin were here amongst us he would be amongst the most harsh people upon the 'naqshbandi haqqanis'.
There are some deobandi scholars who have deceived arab scholars that are authentically sunni into believing deoband is a sunni-sufi markaz and beacon of the sub-continent and ahlus sunnah. This is not true at all. Rather it is the lying and the deception of the deobandis that has made them to arrive at this conclusion. Has Allamah Hafiz Ehsan Iqbal Qadri hafidhahullah been shown the issues of the haqqanis? I know for a fact he would refute the kufriyaat and deviances which are held by some haqqanis.
Also, I'm very glad to say alhamdulilah, I am a sunni barelwi muslim. I am not a jew, or a habashi AICP member, or a tafzeeli, or a wahhabi, or a nasbi. I am a sunni, barelwi Muslim and Ala Hazrat is the coolness to my eyes and the love of my heart. Ala Hazrat showed me what Islam is, what namoos e risaalat is, what khatame Nubuwwat is, what aqeedah is, what ishq e Mustafa is, what tawhid is!
It is indeed you who is hurling false accusations here.
The reason why I have not mentioned tafzil here and the issue of dr TQ is because I believe there are ulama tackling these issues, and I believe I presented an issue not being tackled. Take a look at the number of ulama who have and are refuting dr TQ.
On this website itself Mawlana Abu Hasan hafidhahullah has written a refutation of Dr TQ's kufr entitled minhaji fota morgana.
Many ulama are working tirelessly to bring tafziliyyat to an end. The deobandi kufr is being tackled by many ulama including Mawlana Abu Hasan again, who has written The Killer Mistake and translated Ala Hazrat's Tamhid e Iman - The preamble to faith, also a refutation of deobandi kufr. You should read. Maybe you'll learn some aqeedah and some Usool.
Shaykh Asrar Rashid being in a gathering with Gibril Fouad Haddad doesn't validate Gibril fouad haddad's beliefs. Let me show you a couple of things from Gibril fouad Haddad. Be sincere. Look with genuinity in your heart, not with bias. Also, if you do a bit of digging on this forum, rumour has it that Shaykh Asrar actually handed a few works of Mawlana Abu Hasan to gibril fouad haddad. I can't confirm that. Either way, sitting with Gibril Fouad Haddad doesnt defend his beliefs which he has shown on eshaykh, and if these issues were presented to shaykh Asrar himself I am sure he would refute them himself. Whether somebody is upon the truth is based upon the person beliefs and his actions. Not who they've sat with. I will show you the deviances in Gibril Fouad's beliefs from his own answers, as well as other figures who have been given authority to
Here he doesn't seem to outright reject the kufr belief that the torment of hellfire will come to an end. Rather, he hints towards some sahabah and tabi'in having such an opinion!
This post is very snakey and implies that it isn't kufr if somebody has shakk (doubt) that a murtadd, jew or christian is a kafir. This itself entails kufr. I however, believe with FIRM YAQEEN that a: murtadd, jew, christian, qadiani, alawi, yazidi (yazidi religion), hindu, sikh, shinto, bahaai, 'nation of islam', the moorists (followers of drew ali, whatever they're called), buddhists, atheists, and any religion other than Islam are all regarded as kuffar and the one who has shakk in this is himself indeed a kafir without doubt!
This 'naqshbandi haqqani' is in a position whereby people listen to what he says and they look towards him for guidance whereas he is promoting blatant kufr here! 'Naqshbandi haqqanis' are the ones who seem like agents, not me.
Here, they're promoting Dr Israr and saying he is in a good position in the afterlife. That's what I'd call sullah kulliyat with najdis.
Here, the person is very very clearly hinting towards perennialist kufr. He says 'there is doubt' that a non muslim has a chance of entering jannah. Why doesn't he say there is yaqeen that the kuffar will remain in jahannum forever and have no shot at salvation and jannah! This is the hidden perennialist kufr which is subtly propagated by some somewhat authoritative 'naqshbandi haqqani' figures.
Here he says making up qadas on holy nights multiplies the number of qadas done. Where did he get this fatwa from? Why does he struggle to explicitly state that 10 years of qada requires 10 years of qada? He's in a position of authority he can't give vague answers. Imam Nawawi states the ijma' of the 4 madhahib on making up ones missed prayers.
What's this ramble? He's affirmed that there were humans before Prophet Adam, and he has said there were many Prophet Adam's before ours and that 'we have the last Adam'. This is not the belief of Islam.
Goto minute 57. Watch how the christian makes fun of our beloved Prophet Sayyidunā Yahya عليه السلام and lokman casually laughs along. Insulting a Prophet is certainly kufr.
Is this not being pleased with kufr?
Look at Lokman's fatwa, that a shaykh may allow a kafir to take bay'ah and that by taking bay'ah they are 'someway somehow accepting Islam'.
What does he mean Imam Ja'far as Saddiq is 'holding onto the maqam of the holy Prophet'? Vague statements that sound very dodgy.
I can understand that Nazim MAY have lost his mind in his old age, and that MIGHT be why he claimed the angel on his shoulder doesn't write. Allah knows best. Even if we assumed that to be the case, the fact that people went along with it and that this was uploaded at the end of the day by murids, which then got re-uploaded shows ignorance of followers.
Nazim praising the pope and a 'naqshbandi haqqani' kissing the hand of the pope. I have also come across Nazim asking the pope to pray for him, and ofcourse these popes commit shirk and are upon shirk. They pray to other than Allah.
You've shown me a video where the haqqanis are refuting wahhabis and deobandis. You accused me of lying about them by saying they're clueless about aqeedah. I've shown how they're clueless.
Lokman here though he speaks very harshly against anthropomorphism clearly shows his lack of understanding aqeedah from 4 45 to about 5 20, the way he describes Allah as having 'blown a breath into Adam'. He is meant to be educated upon aqeedah but we know he isn't an alim and has assumed the role of a 'peer/shaykh' and doesnt know how to answer aqeedah related questions.
Fear Allah, delete your post and retract from calling me either a jew or a habashi AICP member or a tafzil or a wahhabi or a nasbi.
When you put the 'naqshbandi haqqanis' on the scale of aqeedah and the shariah you will find that they are very very very problematic. When you actually be just you'll realise this.
'O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful.'[Quran 49:6]
Madet, Destur Shah e Mardaan, Molana Sayed Sheikh Nazim al Haqqani al Hassan al Hussaini
1) First and foremost, you have provided assumptions without solid evidences in terms of your claim towards Sheikh Abdur Rashied Naqshbandi
The Shaitaan wearing the red Naqshbandi Taj called 'Sheik AsSami AlBasir EL' Is NOT a muslim, he Is just wearing the Naqshbandi Imama. This is in no way proof that his beleifs are the same as the whole Naqshbandi Tariqa, very ignorant and careless of you to label all the Naqshbandi Haqqani Tariqa bad over one non muslim Munafiq claiming to be Naqshbandi Muslim. The red flag with a green star is the symbol of the Drew Ali followers *see images below of the imposter with the flag in his photos on his twitter below.
🌜⛤'Abd Mitchell Alrefaei Sheik AsSami AlBasir EL outchea Crenshaw blvd on a Holy Day Asiatics&Moslems 🕌 #Jummahflow #TheUnitingofasia 🕋 pic.twitter.com/hPesUKXyw0— HOTTAMAN ESCADAMAN (@HOTTAESCADA) August 25, 2017
2) Sheikh Abdur Rashied Naqshbandi has in no way endorsed or told any of his viewers to follow Dew Ali (lanati), the screenshot you sent was a member of Dew Ali moorish cult tagging Sheikh Abdur Rashied Naqshbandi in a post. If Sheikh Abdur Rashied Naqshbandi endorsed this then why is there no evidence for it on all his social media platforms? Simply becuase its impossible for any true sunni Muslim to promote Shirk.
3) You made a terrible lie and claim that the Naqshbandi Haqqani have no clue about Aqeeda. Here is a video of the Naqshbandi Haqqani Masheikh making Takfir on the Wahabis/Deobandi imposters and warning people to safeguard their Aqeeda and Imaan:
There are many more videos of them telling viewers to have the correct Aqeeda. Most of the text in Bahar e Shariat is taken from Dur al Mukhtar, written by Ottomon Naqshbandi Maturdi scholar Sayed Ibn Abidin. We also take our knowledge from him. As well as many other Sunni pious predecessor's especially Imam Ahmed Rida Khan رضي الله عنه
There are also many PDF books written by the Naqshbandi Masheikh on Aqeeda
4) You said Naqshbandi Haqqani tariqa is full of issues. Maybe you haven't seen whats been happening within our sunni Qadri/Chisti brothers, the infiltration of Tafzeelis and Nasbis. The recent issues with Tahir ul Qadri, Hanif Qureshi etc. Also the current situation with Shah Irfan Mashadi along with much more. The fitna within the Ummah will not stop, this is our test from Allah Azzawajjal.
5) Sheikh Asrar Rashid has worked many times with Sheikh Gibril Fouad Hadad Naqshbandi who is a great scholar and mureed of Sayyed Sheikh Hisham Khabbani Naqshbandi al Hassan Al Hussaini. Here is a link to a video of them both below at a gathering:
Ehsan Qadri, lion of Ahlus sunnah, is seen in this clip below meeting and praising Sayyed Molana Sheikh Mehmet al Haqqani Hassan al Hussaini along with Sheikh Bahudhin Al Hassan al Hussaini calling them Awliya Allah. Also he praises Molana Sayed Sheikh Nazim al Hassan al Hussaini ق
And here YOU are blindly attacking them over one imposters Munafiq who is dressed like a Naqshbandi. Instead of contacting Sheikh Abdur Rashied Naqshbandi, you attack the whole most distinguished Naqshbandi Tariqa without any conformation. Just voice recordings and images from a Kaffir dressed as a Naqshbandi who claims that we have the same beleifs as him.
YOU are either a Habashi AICP member, a Tafzeeli, Nasbi, Wahabi or a Jew for your absolutely ridiculous claim over something you have not even investigated. And accusing an Awliya of promoting Shirk
You have slandered Sayyeds and Awliya Allah. This is NOT the way of the Ahle sunnah wa al jamaat. The whole Sunni world knows the Naqshbandi Haqqani Tariqa and its achievements. You should repent to Allah or feel his wrath for your slanders.
From an Osmanli Naqshbandi Haqqani Rizvi
🌜⛤'Abd Mitchell Alrefaei Sheik AsSami AlBasir EL outchea Crenshaw blvd on a Holy Day Asiatics&Moslems 🕌 #Jummahflow #TheUnitingofasia 🕋 pic.twitter.com/hPesUKXyw0— HOTTAMAN ESCADAMAN (@HOTTAESCADA) August 25, 2017
🌜⛤'Abd Mitchell Alrefaei Sheik AsSami AlBasir EL outchea Crenshaw blvd on a Holy Day Asiatics&Moslems 🕌 #Jummahflow #TheUnitingofasia 🕋 pic.twitter.com/hPesUKXyw0
They're agents of kuffar, just like the qadianis.
I came across an idiot, kafir who claims to follow the 'naqshbandi haqqani tariqah' (which is itself full of issues).
He has claimed that the kafir, false prophet who is known as 'drew ali' is an actual prophet. He also affirmed shaykh Nazim as a prophet. He has almost 1,300 followers to present on instagram, and he's deceiving people into thinking drew ali is a righteous person. His page used to be public on instagram, which is now private. I have voice notes of this person himself affirming both drew Ali and shaykh Nazim as prophets. I can provide these.
If anybody is not clued on about drew Ali, he's a false claimant to nubuwwah, who believed himself to have a holy book which he called 'the holy koran of the moorish temple of science'. 'the moorish temple of science' is the organisation he made for his religion.
Does anybody have contact with the haqqani shuyukh who can tell this person and his accomplices to stop believing in such kufr? I have tried to tell him myself, and presented the verse of Surah al- Ahzaab regarding the pristine aqeedah of khatame Nubuwwat, and he shrugged me off by saying he is practically almost a hafiz and I cant lecture him on the Qur'an.
He considers himself a follower of Shaykh Mehmet, and since naqshbandi haqqanis take the word of their shaykhs, if we can get into contact with shaykh Mehmet he can publicly refute this and this can work in favour of upholding the aqeedah of ahlus sunnah.
I would personally contact shaykh Mehmet in person if he was in the UK, I would be perfectly fine with going to him and informing him of all this. However due to the virus he hasn't made a visit to the UK this year and thus am wondering if one could convey the message to him.
Also it would be very beneficial if this guy can be publicly refuted. I follow barely any pages on Instagram and I'm shocked to find that amongst the few accounts I have followed, 'aswjstore' is actually following such a person, as well as other pages.
The name of the individual is 'escadaman07' and can also be found by searching up 'Sheik AsSami AlBasir EL' on instagram.
What's also disturbing is that this same person was asked "does 'shaykh abdur rasheed' also believe in drew ali?" To which he responded yes. I have yet to get into contact and confirm this from this 'shaykh abdur rasheed'. For those who dont know, 'shaykh abdur rasheed' is a 'zikr leader' and a supposed 'Imam' for a black community of 'naqshbandi haqqanis' in america. He has quite a bit of popularity, and he can be found sitting quite comfortably alongside hisham kabbani in this video here:
I sussed out his facebook page a little bit and considering he is very active on his Facebook, this following image comes across as suspicious and indicates atleast support towards the religion and community of drew Ali, seeing as he didn't take this post down which was shared onto his Facebook profile.
These 'naqshbandi haqqanis' are not versed in aqeedah at all. I've seen so many of them affirm multiple kufriyaat.
To list a few:
As that escadaman07 kafir has done, I.e he has believed that drew Ali is a prophet and that there is another divinely revealed book.
I have heard a haqqani once say 'I don't care' when I told them something is sunnah.
I have heard one affirm qasim nanotwi's kufr ramble about 'if for arguments sake there was another prophet in another world the prophet would remain khatam' and saying that these are realities.
I've witnessed a haqqani say nanak was a muslim and that sikhs will enter jannah.
I've witnessed a haqqani actually make dua e maghfirat for a guru.
I've witnessed a haqqani say nazim and other 'shuyukh' have higher maqams than some prophets.
People mention how deobandis have infiltrated arab ulama' and have spread confusion far and wide regarding their akabireen (which I agree is a huge issue).
Haqqanis are practically doing the same amongst barelwis in the UK. They're a real threat to sunni orthodoxy and the aqeedah of Islam and you only know this once you spend a chunk of time with them.
There's 0 focus on aqeedah amongst haqqanis and you will be utterly shocked what these people believe in if you investigate thoroughly.
Thoughts and advice?
Not interested in hearing some sullah kulli rubbish that it is only a few haqqanis. It is a multitude of them with deviant and kufr beliefs, including some 'zikr leaders'.
Also not interested in hearing some sullah kulli rubbish that it's the followers and not the 'shuyukh'. If it comes to that then we'll show whoever it is what nazim and co. were really upon.